Cheater report discussion

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15. December 2010 - 20:34

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Re: Cheater report discussion

Ok, so, was there anyone, in the history of E+, kicked by PB with the message "PB Hack", and that was proven to be a false positive and/or triggered by stuff not related to cheating?

Do your research, or maybe even try to replicate the message artificially. Until you set a precedent, this means Para is as legit as the guy who drives this van:

15. December 2010 - 20:37

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Re: Cheater report discussion

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blah blah blah

What if you're a loon who's talking out of his ass?

15. December 2010 - 21:08

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i dont need to do a research about that .. you should do since you consider that what i say is .. not true?
that would mean that every1 that had the message "md5 tool" "window api" and "packets loss keys" is related with a cheater exactly how that driver of the van in your example is ?

thank god i never tried windows 7

again i only speak about the fact that pbhack and all other messages that dont speak about the client's cheats are not (should not be) considered conclusive enough to be related to the client's cheats since the actual message speaks about the impossibility of pb to go on till the end with the cheats search..
and i dont speak only about pbhack i speak about also "md5 tool" "windows api" and "packet loss keys"
why are they not considerd the same as pbhack ? all these messages should be in the same category .. with the "pb hack" message. then => if you ban for pbhack then you should ban also for messages like "md5 tool" "windows api" and "packet loss keys" that should be a logical statement because

If A= B(an) and C = A then C = B(an)

and dont speak about probabities cause that might lead to the Schrödinger's cat experiment which questions the interior of the van in your image as much as the cat's vital state.
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15. December 2010 - 22:01

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But Madbringer is right*, the win7 people are being kicked for integrity violations, not hack violations. Every single banlist I've seen circulate includes the #130013 ban. So what gives?

*It's interesting to note that every cogent point of criticism is being voiced by people ostrascized or otherwise decleared persona non grata, and that should concern the people still active and those with power. Since about a year demos are not considered defentivie evidence, neither is the new "system" put in place and now the mother of all proof, PB kick, is declared insufficient. You are slowly getting the community to where you want it, surrounded by yes-sayers, spammers, cheaters and straight up a-holes.

15. December 2010 - 22:36

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ok, then i understand if that's the case.

But that still dosn't mean he cheats .. it means only that "the pb is screaming about a punkbuster hack violation" and nothing more ...

"i see hacks" but not "i see cheats"
for "i see cheats" more proofs are needed.

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And about Madbringer and others (how you say) i will say that i'm always ok to consider their opinion if they have something to say.. always.. because every1 can be constructive in a community from the most lame and scam person to the most arrogant one. (about this pm me but don't write in here)
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15. December 2010 - 22:56

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ok, then i understand if that's the case.

But that still dosn't mean he cheats .. it means only that "the pb is screaming about a punkbuster hack violation" and nothing more ...

"i see hacks" but not "i see cheats"
for "i see cheats" more proofs are needed.

It takes quite some wishful thinking to arrive at your conclusion, the violation is listed under cheat/hack for a reason. And people are being banned for it. It can be a false positive but so far I've seen nothing to indicate it is, and indeed if we take the route of your thinking we can defend any cheater no matter the circumstances since proof will never be "definitive" in the sense IRL courts apply it ("My dog did it").

This has been the case here for over a year now, and is why some people simply have stopped caring and others stopped playing completely. For all the cries for "fair play" by Kids and the likes it's hilarious to see how hard they try to defend cheaters.

15. December 2010 - 22:59

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if its so then what can i say ?

"this is shity"
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15. December 2010 - 23:41

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Re: Cheater report discussion

disable PB at CW's if both clans agree. This shit program only does that make u lag and we get nothing usefull from it, once in a year at CW's we saw "pbhack" from well-known person from community and thats all we got.
Punkbuster doesnt work like usual condom, it works like a woolen one made in young ages by someones grandma, the result doesnt justifies resourses.

16. December 2010 - 0:03

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