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[MR.]RIDDLER wrote:

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[MR.]RIDDLER wrote:
mow Q [EN] wrote:
anyway, it means, if u have nobody of making a mvd u can't play a CW.

it is more a backstep than an improvement.

+1. Nothing wrong with the old system - if both sides agree to have pb off, no ref and no demos, RANK! Any post-war flames? Its the clans fault for not paying enough attention, end of.

Btw, who are the ranking moderators these days? Is it just Darkangel and Blackrose or is there anyone else in the fray too?

Do you have something against this?Happy At this moment only me and Dark, because Zont and Seebz left:) You all can complayn, give some very inteligent advice but nobody from you dont want to be a rank moderator. May be Ridd you will post request about this and admins will decide about your candidature ? Winking
at this moment i see that only you make problems from very easy things:>

Btw dear Smasher, we know that we do. we othen see complaynings of clans, that this isnt fair to play in cw vs lagers. because it is very hard to kill him.Of course if his ping increase from 40 to 80 or to 100 with 12 loss:>
P.S. smotri kak bi opeati tvoi slova ne obernulisi bokom:) o vi na6 velikii vseznaika Winking

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3M'darkangel wrote:
- if the second clan, dont want to play the cw, but the first clan want to play it, then they should play it.

they should play with lagger or what? or they just can't refuse to play anyway and if they haven't enough players without lags they can't continue or what? in this situation - what's next?

this means that if the clan ''first'' (players dont have lags) plays agains the ''second'' clan (player or players with lags)
the first clan can refuse to play that day the cw and not have the wo because of this...is dificult to hit a lagly teleporting body belive me..and not fair impo.


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its true that there were lots of ppl that complained about other players
that were laggy and the ref couldn't do anything like "you cannot play
because you lag and noone can hit you" but looks now now its possible ..

the values seems reasonable, if not then i think we can talk more about
them but for sure we need a rule that punish the big laggers. noone can
hit them and thats not fair.

wasnt in old time something like
an unwritten rule like ppl having more then 30% loss are laggy and
should not play? or something like that ? in KO / SWE / LEM times .. how
was it?

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mow Q [EN] wrote:

about demos yes, demos were needed only to check pb and pure cause there were no texts in the score tables to easy read that the pb and pure are on, like now. Thats true, but right now i see that all cws have a ref (not means from ref+ team) no matter what that cw is.. or for what event is, so that ref is doing demos cause he is specting anyway, i dont remeber when was the last time a cw didn't had demos .. (mvd or normal demos no matter)
so .. i dont think this a back step .. imp explain.

addition: mvd can do anybody , he dosn't need to be able to spec both teams, the mvd will be recorded from every player's fov anyway \startmvd \stopmvd If the mvd is not activated by the server admin you still can do, normal fov demos \startrecord \stoprecord
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[MR.]RIDDLER wrote:

mow Q [EN] wrote:
anyway, it means, if u have nobody of making a mvd u can't play a CW. it is more a backstep than an improvement.

+1. Nothing wrong with the old system - if both sides agree to have pb off, no ref and no demos, RANK! Any post-war flames? Its the clans fault for not paying enough attention, end of.

i agree here to..

j wrote:

..build a robot who control ppl? we have mow!

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there is zero chance for a rule precise enough to differ a unfair lagger against a fair lagger.

because for example, over ping 500 you cant move, ergo its fair for the enemy, but this rule would force him to spec.

Less arrogance would be healthy

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its a rather strange rule.
i thought pb kicked for packet loss anyway?

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pb would allow to play with permament 15% loss. Its "connection interrupted" every 2 sec, faced this at cw and suggested to implent a cup rule for this, but there was no attention from organizators side and I enjoy that now thats implented in rank rules. However when I was refing Extreme vs sm1, roni had also big losses near 40% and I asked him to spect, nice that some people understand it and play fair while others dont give a shit.

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3M'blackrose wrote:

[MR.]RIDDLER wrote:

Btw, who are the ranking moderators these days? Is it just Darkangel and Blackrose or is there anyone else in the fray too?

Do you have something against this?Happy At this moment only me and Dark, because Zont and Seebz left:) You all can complayn, give some very inteligent advice but nobody from you dont want to be a rank moderator. May be Ridd you will post request about this and admins will decide about your candidature ? Winking
at this moment i see that only you make problems from very easy things:>

Since when was there a complaint from me? It was a simple question but you've obviously read to much into it.
Reason I asked was because I think there should be someone in the ranking staff who has been here for a few years, along with you two. You won't have conflicts such as this one... Its not you're fault though - some clans have questioned about lagers and you've responded accordingly. But you haven't considered what happened in the years before ('05-'06) and whether this issue is really a problem... and this could have been discussed with someone "oldskool".
I wouldn't mind being a rank mod but I'm not cut out for it. I don't have time and I've only been here since the end of '07. About others, I haven't seen any admins for quite sometime so I guess my point above is kinda a dead end atm.

Anyway (*sighs*), the lag issue comes down to sportsmanship. If a player knows he/she is lagging too much then it's upto him/his clan that he does the fair thing and spectate (like fps wrote above).

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3M'blackrose wrote:

Btw dear Smasher, we know that we do. we othen see complaynings of clans, that this isnt fair to play in cw vs lagers.

oh yeah? i remember you (or dark) making a poll recently about creating a limit for amount of players per clan. that time you also were saying "many players said there should be a limit" and blah-blah, but poll showed there weren't "many players" - vast majority of ppl here voted 'NO'. maybe you should make a vote this time too? or maybe you should ask someone who has much more experience, i.e. person who's been here for years? your skullheadq3, for example (it's not a sarcasm). but no, you're too smart for this! Sad

3M'darkangel wrote:

is dificult to hit a lagly teleporting body belive me..and not fair impo.

lol. thanx, Captain Obvious! Big grin

well, personally, i think there shouldn't be such rule like that we are talking about here. it's all about players and their vision of fair play: if a player sees he's lagging like hell he should go spect by himself and/or even shouldn't play at all. are there really so much cases of lag-abusing/not caring about?


you're taking criticism too personally, imo. it were you, dark & black, who wished to apply to ranking mods. and now you show you don't like criticism? you're not thinking that 'voluntary' means 'low-grade', are you? besides, now when you're mods and ranking mods you're making some decisions which can affect other ppl here (for example, deleting a post might not be appreciated by its author, at least in case when post has some point, or even regardless of its contents Tongue jk) - and you might get a load of criticism as a result. should be expected.
imo, there should be someone more experienced on your place, or at least you should have an oldschool advisor, like riddler said. nothing personal.
you still can read striked-out text, can you? Winking

P.S. answering to your 'P.S.', rose. i'm not pretending to be a mister know-all, no way, it's just your vision which is prolly broken or smth else (see above). and since you mentioned my recent 'fail' (pointing out a rule break and then breaking the same rule by "myself" - my clanmates including me), i'd like to make things clear for you: i don't feel sorry about that situation at all, because it was that due to me (and ofc some other ppl) that annoying rule has been changed. so you can say i fought for an idea and was about to be fought for that, but, thank asphyx, he made a decision most suitable for both sides: counted our game as valid cup game and changed mentioned rule.


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"In Soviet Moldavia, Pole rages YOU"
like 2 months after Call me

3M'darkangel wrote:
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SHUDDER wrote:
People are training hard to hide their autoshoot so well while gain enough skills to win (or at least compete on similar level) without them. This is getting insane or provoked. I feel like I would cut myself with Ockham's Razor if I claim a cheat there.

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illca s just putting his nose in every hole. "thats bad, thats sux, thats unfair, there are wrong and etc."

rank mods are the people which are qualifited for this job, so they know better than you, and they dont need to ask every random person about their opinion, they work for community and not for selfs.