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1. Movement.

It feels more real, baseq3 alike. It seems faster, jumps carry you a bit further. BFG jumps actually work, grenade jumps always carry you forward. All in all it feels better, you can actually move around the map.

That is because of the air control, specifically the PHYSICS_CONTROL_STOP option. Test it on plusbeta (not plusc as it has also that option turned on) and only then you can compare.

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2. Sensitivity

Sensitivity is definetly changed, it feels more exact in 1.03 although I'm not sure it's infact slower. Tracking is spot on, and rails fire off immiediatly and hit.

Does different necessarily means worse? I can see on vsp stats you and skull have nice rail acc, and i doubt it was better on 1.03. Also the whole sens change is somewhat subjective, because if you measure it you will see that is the same. Maybe it "feels" different for other reasons, like aspect ratio fix or changes on client side rendering.

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The sensitivity/rail in 1.04 feels strange, shots seem to hit to the side and this is extremely frustrating as you never get a feel for where you hit and where you don't. Fragging is guesswork, whereas in 1.03 it was instinctive.

Rail trails were FIXED on 1.04 so now they come out as close as possible to the muzzle point. If you want rail trails to originate from the center of the screen, place the weapon on the center of the screen then with a combination of cg_gunXYZ values (cg_gunY alone would do the job, a value like 5 or 7).

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Perfect post laktos, couldn't agree more. Also there are a lot of problems with the railing as most noticed, when u shoot but the target doesn't die (rail doesn't count in, or register as a hit). That's extremely frustrating and I got the die out of my keyboard as in how many times I pressed the "that sucks" bind. 1.03 feels better in many things, frmo shooting to moving. I don't recall any rail that I had missed because the shot wouldn't register, though I shot the enemy clear. That sucks anus a lot. Aiming is also very nice in 1.03, it feels different, maybe more accurate and I hope my memory doesn't play tricks on me now. I also tested 1.03 - 1.04... the differences are enormous.. That's it from me, see ya on the servers.

O really? You have never been a good railer if i remember right, so you have no basis to say such things. From my experience, when i see my vsp stats from 1.03 and compare them to 1.04, surprisingly they are almost the same, both accuracy and efficiency, so cant say that i hit more/less with either version.

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in fact, 1.03 netcode was very stable and i never had a problem hitting when i was supposed to hit, while in 1.04 sometimes i totally feel like shooting ahead and hit, following and miss.

The hitscan code hasnt changed since 1.03, its and has always been unlagged. 1.04 just implements its client-side features.

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In 1.03 you generally had a good orientational feel for where you were in relation to your opponents. In 1.04 I feel much more lost, at first i suspected that colouring or fov was different but comparing screenshots this doesn't seem to be the case. I can only attribute it to the different sensitivity, I lack the control I had in 1.03. Example, running down MH stairs to RA in dm7. This feels haphazard and without much control.

Aiming while running up/down stairs have always been difficult, cant feel a change at all.

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Another obeservation is that you get blitzed in a whole different way in 1.04, you (I and atleast another person I've asked) often don't register when oppontens attack and enter a room. They just suddenly appear infront of you. This is NOT the case in 1.03.

I strongly suspect that this is a combined effect of several "fixes", like the improved prediction (replaced cg_smoothclients?), the jumpbug fix and a few others that are hinted at in changelog.

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however, i really would like to rechange those both bits, same goes to improveprediction.

This is completely false, and i would really like you both to stop spreading false rumors about xp_improvePrediction. As it seems that you both dont know what it is for, i made a video for you see it in action, video is a bit too big but considering euros have tons of bandwith it shoudlnt be too much:

xp_improvePrediction.wmv - 148 mbs

First part of the video has xp_improvePrediction off, and second part is on, notice how much more responsive is with the option turned on when you enter the room, and the difference is bigger the higher the ping is (btw, cg_latentSnaps and cg_latentCmds are dev cvars to simulate internet ping).

THATS ALL WHAT THAT OPTION IS FOR, IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NO RELATION WITH PHYSICS, SPLASH DAMAGE OR NETCODE. It just send information to client earlier so enemies dont suddenly appear when you enter a room. Imo is a really nice feature, and if you dont think the same after watching the video, then dunno what to say...

And about cg_smoothClients, the hole option was removed from beta6 because all the skipping correction is done server-side, as it is on unlagged mod too.

I propose server-config option to use 1.03 style physics or new style physics. Config makers will have the option to use new physics for whatever reason or revert to old style (e.g., xp_physics 2 for "promode-like" physics) for their setup. This will enable us to return to more familiar Plus.cfg-style gameplay on PlusN without the downside of not knowing where in the hell we're going to end up after a BFG slide, where we're going to land after a rocket jump in a tight passage, etc.

I think this will also fix the sensitivity issues people are having. Physics controls how you move, and when you aim you are moving side to side and up or down. The var g_speed has a definite effect on your aiming, so it stands to reason that using the OLD 1.03 style of physics here may restore the gameplay of 1.03 in movement while allowing us to completely take advantage of all of the improvements Beast has put into the mod as well as what Fala has done with PlusN.cfg

Please consider testing this option so we can retain our play style through our own cfg settings while enjoying the new features and bugfixes.

Maybe what we need to do then is let people know that this new setting is the equivalent of what we're used to in 1.03, because it seems most new cfgs have xp_physics 7 or something like that? 8? Can't remember.

I tried playing tonight on an updated server with brand new mouse skates, freshly cleaned mouse-pad, everything set up like new, and found it almost unplayable. My aim was everywhere but where I expected it to be. This is unusual because I played a few games in Quake Live just beforehand and played VERY well.