I think what the Plus-side of E+ is looking towards now is more of a balance between Excessive-style gameplay and classic-style strategy because if you eliminate the need for skills such as movement, tactics and thinking about how you play, there is no advantage to building skills at all. Such games can happen when certain weapons are too powerful, or switch times are so fast that a missed rail shot has no consequence because you can switch to another powerful weapon right away and shoot (getting a kill because it's an overpowered BFG, for example).

For the "original" Excessive game-style I would say play e5.cfg and leave it at that, but Plus was an evolution from a completely different idea (and a bug). It still has Excessive-style movement, but the skills needed for this config type should be totally different from e5, e5r, e6, etc. With PlusN being the newest in a long line of Bro-like cfgs I say we should develop its potential more instead of saying "look how good 1.02b was!" and whining about powerups, armor, health collection, etc. The option for health/armor/powerups was there in 1.02b too, it's just that most config makers didn't use it

For those who like what they think of as "Real Excessive" style, there's e5.cfg. Or you can make your own and see how people react to it. I think PlusN has the potential to be a much more demanding config, however, that requires more than fast-switch-spam at doorways and gigantic BFG explosions that kill by luck. And that includes red armor + megahealth protecting you against a railgun shot. PlusN gamestyle shows the possibility of being more demanding, as baseq3 style in tactics, but with the trademarks of Excessive style gameplay such as nearly-unlimited ammo, unique weapon movement (BFG slides!) and the flexibility of being able to customize just about every aspect of the game...

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Matt, i want your babies. :oops:

QF the fucking T

Because of my Quantum Field Theory? :oops:

Thanks for agreement, I think the more people discuss the possibilities and capabilities of E+ the better we can make the mod. So there's no more whining about this feature on that cfg, or that feature on this cfg. This topic could be one of the most useful topics created in quite some time.

Grenade jumps seem impossible, if it's me being to noobish i would like for someone to show me a demo where they run through a map, say dm7 or overkill in a fast uninterrupted pace.

Uneven teams now are devastating, you have no chance saving a game by yourself anymore - if you get swarmed while being last alive you are done for. First rail bounces off, SG seems to do no effect either (im not sure if it's the increased spread or what). So where in 1.03 you had taken out 2 people in the matter of a second, you are now standing with your pants down saying "Hi guys " before you get blasted to pieces. And frankly if i want to be raped like that i go play QL.

Overall gameplay feeling is so-so, im not sure if its the improved prediciton stuff that for some reason is deemed as essential. Personally I always hated the feeling CG_smoothclients gave.

I've had 2 fun public games after 1.04, both on Aim.

with GL and abit bfg if possible : ) promise i'll stop whining afterwards.

149 against the clock and 156 with the clock (with the clock i am not very used to).

For me the movement feels the same, or not much different to move for me in 1.04.