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Looking for the righteous path
20. October 2012 - 19:40
#82
Re: Looking for the righteous path
wrote:About lie - i clearly wrote that the last story is a lie in my mind, i dont have any clue what your friend in the story can do, if this rich guy wanted to give him unlimited resources (just impossible that he is the one in the world who can do the stuff). Your sentences are mostly the water with "arguments" like be the "Man" and other similar stuff that has a thousand of meanings in different cultures and countries.
As I told you that I had to cover some elements only for some privacy!
The reason why I covered those elements was because the story without them was sufficient for the reason I brought it here for which was (poor, rich) and for to explain that no matter how rich someone can be, we still all are poor weak humans! and good days, bad days will always come as we will always live them no matter how rich or poor we happen to be.......
But now after the story seemed to you as if it has something wrong making it not look so real or truthful which explains that you are somewhat a focused person which is something nice to find in you!! I will have to bring those elements back and give away some privacy so you can tell how truthful this story is and that I was not lying about it........
But before I start with the story I would like to speak about the other subject (water in my words) ........ in short (the concept of man issue)
In this world there are things which are universal! as we all are humans, we all use language to speak and comunicate (not all of us humans use heart to heart language or soul to soul but we all can though! as long as the individual is in good shape of what a human in normal well shape is meant to be like but of course such comunication has it's own certain status and moments of times) all humans eat! all need water...... all like their own interests! all hate and love..........etc
""Man""
Man's qualities are universal!
1 - Love
2 - Sacrifice
3 - Dignity
4 - Humbleness
5 - Patience
6 - Cooperation for good
7 - Honor
8 - Care
9 - Good well and Intention
10 - Sturdiness (spiritual sturdiness)
11 - Control over emotions and self control
12 - Tenderness and carings while dealing with the Woman!
13 - compassion......................etc
But if we say "Man" man could have none of what I mentioned above and none of the qualities a man should have to be called a man but still can be called a man since each male over 18 is to be called a man!! a man like "Human"
We call each grown up male "a man"
Grown up male "Man"
Grown up female "Woman"
Man and Woman from "Human"!!
But if we say "Man" only, it never indicates if this man is a good man or a bad man or a man with qualities of a real man!!
Some men could have some of the qualities of a real man, but not all of them..........
"Real Man"
(Real Man)
Now what the real man is, not what as you always been thinking of me refering to when I say "a man" or "a real man"
Each time I say "a man" or "a real man" you start thinking of me as if I was refering to a man who can punch like boxing and abuse and so.......... but that is not what I am refering to when I say "a man" or "a real man
In fact, men which always think of men as of those who can punch boxing and abuse people and make bad things are men which lack of being real men!!
And again to speak of "Real Man"
Real man is the man who has most of the qualities of a good man! those which I mentioned above and the rest of the good ones, if a man has them all that to be perfect, but no one is perfect! though, there are men which to be called real men! men with enough qualities that make them be called "real men"
"Real Man" is a good man, is a man with the good qualities..
No male no matter how old can be called a man unless carrying the qualities of a man! and here we go again, in some sentences I use man, but it refers to the "real man" since every male over 18 can be called man! but "man, no man" issue means a "real man" or not
There are no water in my words, your assumptions could be making them look like if there was,
With no offense really! as I don't blame your assumptions because not all people deal with words with the same levels of concentration, but try to be more careful with your assumptions regarding what you may find difficult to be understood!
Take none of what I say as offense since I never mean it! unless someone passes his/her limits with it so I just return it back a bit...... but in this case I am sharing knowledge and trying to teach you some good!!
Back to our stories
I mentioned in the story (old man and a young man)
I mentioned in the story that the young man was my friend............
For privacy issues I did hide that the old man was my friend too!
I did hide that the old man's family and people were involved in the story........
I did hide that I was the core element of the story.............
I did hide that I was a friend of the family........
I did hide who that old man is or who his people are......... but that is some privacy and will still be................
The stroy started with an old man who was my friend, old man from the united states........... who was interested in a young man to work with him!
Note:
I will still be unable to reveal everything only for some privacy and because most the people which were involved in this story were my friends, and being a friend to someone is more of a promise of trust "because once you call or consider someone as a friend meaning you trust that person and whatever you say or do in front of a friend to be considered saved as secret or as events only between friends" like if you or your friend made a promise for it even if you both didn't!!
The question is why he wanted this young man to work with him so badly..........!!
Well, the old man didn't just bump into that young man and said "oh I will give you a bugatti and countless amount of money but if you work with me" No!
It all came step by another, try by try by try by try by another..................
Offer by offer by offer by offer by offer by another.................................
The old rich man kept trying and making offers, keeping in mind that the old man started with a few......................... then kept increasing the offers only to get this young man here!
It started with a bank account and some money...........
Kept rising and rising and rising and rising and rising and rising and rising.............
The young man kept rejecting, rejecting, rejecting, rejecting, rejecting, rejecting and rejecting the offers....................
The old rich man kept getting shocked, shocked and shocked and shocked more each time the young man reject and refuse a greater offer...............
But the fact that the old man kept getting shocked each time the young man refuses an offer or give no damn around any threat was the fourth reason why the old man wanted him badly
We still have "third reason" why the old man wanted him badly and we still have "second reason" and "first reason" why the man wanted him that bad and tryed and tryed to convince him to work with him...........
The second reason requires hell of typing to explain! so please just disregard it
The third reason was for security issues.......... the old man didn't want to lose the young man because he knew alot about him!!
You by now could be thinking "but if the old man has so much leverage, power, people and money why don't he just get rid of the young man as it could be something very easy for him to do!!" but no!
The old man can't just get rid of the young man, for some different reasons while of the biggest reasons...........
1 - the young man was his friend too, the old man did make many threats and even sometimes tried to kill him unsuccessfuly in ways not to make it so obvious that someone did kill him......... but at most levels of pressure and anger while of course after he gets cooled down he always thought about how he was a friend and stopped thinking of killing him!
2 - (second) which is the biggest reason why the old man wanted the young one so badly, made all the offers he was able to make to gain him, and never really really killed him after all the rejects and refuses he made............ it was that the old man's daughter was in love with the young man!! and this young man we are speaking about here had some good enough qualities which would make the old man that interested in having his own daughter end up with marrying such man............... also the old man loved his own daughter too much!! so he won't risk letting her go to be with a man that has a total different way of dealing with life than he does..........
(killing people which seemingly happen to be not worthy to live life....... stealing....... being rich and give no damn around the poor people......... ruling the people, trying to rule the world and be always above the people.....etc) don't let me get started with that
The young man loved the old man's daughter, and he was ready to do all he was able to do for her, but what's possible of course, and not to do wrong! and not to do something bad while knowing it.............
The young man left at last and been through some threats of being killed..... left because the girl gave him enough reason to stop thinking about a future with her and had to let her go............
And if you would like me to tell you something fascinating about this story....... (it still for these days in a way going on)........................
If you have problems to believe how the old man could offer a bugatti and any other car which crosses this young man's mind and endless tickets of business class flights to anywhere in the world and countless amount of money (countless amount of money doesn't necessarly mean endless money but of course something over what someone poor (poor who finds problems trying to arrange for money to buy food!!) could ever dream to have....!! to a level which would seem to him as if they were endless money!!) if you find difficulties to believe it, then you need to know that there are some people on this planet which are very very very very rich when we care to speak of money! if you still can't understand that......... watch this video..........
Have fun at E+ and never take it with hard feelings no matter how much you lose nor how much stupid or dump or punk or bad or blithering idiot the player you are playing with really is, it's just a game and we are here to have fun and enjoy our times!!
20. October 2012 - 19:45
#83
Re: Looking for the righteous path
wrote:Honestly i didnt read all the text but main points only, and i have questions to you:
1) Why do you put equal between digging the truth and God existence? Its not a fact, so its cant be the truth in any kind (you cant prove it so you wont know until you die = its theory only, and aside from other theories, it cant be even indirectly proved ).
Tip: never read half of what I type then start making questions regarding them, because it could happen that you might find the answer from within....
Anyways, if you did read by now what I wrote to my brother above, you would understand that I witnessed things in life which are not normal! that is first!
Reminder: the way I knew that someone was trying to back up my words without browsing to the site and see (it was some kind of inspiration!!)
We by now still are at the first point and part of it is that if I would tell you all what I saw and all what happened with me that proves God is there and is speaking to me and walking all along the way with me, to me only the most recent ones which happened would be enough to turn me from an atheist to a faithful believer of God
But that of course to me! I can't be sure if you would believe them or if they would be enough for you to make up your mind.......
Regarding believing them or not....... "BE SURE" I have no reason to lie to you about anything as I sincerely am trying to look for the righteous path and not trying to impose my thoughts to anyone, but if people start bringing to me wrongful false thoughts where I am sure they are wrong and do know better, I definitely have to correct them! as if someone comes up with an idea which I think I have what is better or can add to it to make it more complete then of course I would do that too! what if I was the most righteous anyways?! couldn't it be?! I am not saying that I am, and I am not saying that I am with the most knowledgable levels........ but it all proves itself and speaks of it once me and someone else go through some discussion!
(it is not my gulit to be in more knowledge than other people to deserve to be called an imposer....!! since an imposer and someone who knows alot are too different cases.... aren't they?!)
As this is something we all can agree with and never argue about unless we care only to spread out some crap and speak senseless stuff which is ((you can be right but you can be wrong! I can be right and I can be wrong!
When me and you or me and anybody else both disagree around some point regarding righteousness and which is right and which is wrong, we can't be both right! as one of us can be right! or both of us wrong!!!! that is, as long as we are speaking about the same subject and same situation!!))
What I just said above proves that it is either me who is right once I discuss some point with another person, or that person is the one who is right, but the discussion proves who was right and who was wrong after all! or could prove that we both lack knowing what to be right!! and the good news are that whoever review the discussion can tell who was right and who was wrong or if both were lacking for the truth, and/or that they both were wrong!!.......
So you are telling me that you think there is no God and you are speaking about it like if it was somewhat for sure...
But it is only your point of view!
While (here)
Here, my point of view (my prospective) I clearly see and believe that there is nothing more sure than how sure I am about that God does exist!!
You might not be paying enough attention to what I just said so I will repeat
There is a monitor in front of me now! and there are letters! but I am more sure that there is God than I am sure there is a monitor in front of me and that there are letters!
For many reasons, but let me speak to you about some now and only some because I can't write everything here!
I speak to God, and God speaks back but not in the way of humans of course! God speaks to me in the way of a Glorious God!
It is not a normal way nor a common language which God uses to speak to me! these languages which we know are for humans!! there are languages for animals and there are languages for different creatures, different languages for different types of animals........... God speaks them all, because He is the one who created them! but God has a glorious kind of a language too! not normal language! wonderful! and beautiful!
There is something called dimension!! our world (human world) has some specific and limited types of dimentions! but of course there are other dimentions which we (humans) can't live them or be at reach of.............
God created them all, and God is the only one who can control them!!....
Our subject now (God's glorious language)
A great kind of a language........
I will start with this...... I met with a girl, and happened to be making the conversation which did lead to this topic (the righteous path) at the same days.....
I did know that girl a bit long ago with some limited knowledge of ofcourse, but started to have feelings toward her at those days...... and saw how the conversation I was making was leading to this topic
Guess what?! Love is something very beautiful and I know it, but I do really really hate falling in it! I seriously do (specially this kind of love called "love at first sight") because I call it "jump and fall from over a cliff at first sight"
And guess again what?! I care alot about the truth as I know alot about it! I spent almost my whole life with serious and dedicated "Will" looking for it! which normally would lead to some decent amount of knowledge regarding it.... right?! as I still am looking and looking and caring for more truth and more knowledge!! so this is why I say "who is there which have more knowledge than I do and know better to convince me with a fact that the path I am taking is not actually is the righteous path.........??" and doing that for two reasons
1 - is because I am going through difficult times trying to be a good person and going through difficult times trying to do things which I believe are good for the people, the community and not just for me while still doing them because I believe that could make a better world (while watching others only kill, steal, lie, making destructive actions......... ruining the world and go through good times and running away with it) doing it all believing it all would lead me to some good place at last called (Heaven!!)
2 - Is because the scriptures of God are challenging me in two ways, first by asking me to always look for the truth and never be limited-minded person, and second because the scriptures are challenging me to find what could be more truthful than they really are.................... I can't believe how some old "this too old" books are trying to challenge me after all the change and after all the growth of the knowledge base human earned trying to challenge me telling me that there is no more righteousness and truthfullness than what they include..........
So for these reasons, I want to know and always looking for more truth, more knowledge and trying to see if there is who knows better to learn from and to choose the path I should choose so I can get the best out of what is available to get something out of................
To make this point more clear I have to tell you how I turned from being a bad person who was too proud of being bad to a good person who is suffering trying to be good after being used to be only bad and evil............... but that would take too much more rightings since I will have to speak some of the story of my life................
Back to our poing, then I saw them coming......... both! "Love" which is something I hate falling into........... and a discussion regarding the righteous path which is one of the most annoying things to do while speaking to some people which don't really appreciate it enough to speak gently, kindly, politely and with respect about.....
So I was going to bed and was like "ah God no way......... Love???? discussion about the righteous path............???????????????? and what??????????????? both together at the same time............................ Ahhhh no way, this can't be.........."
That of course was after I had seen enough proofs that God wanted me to go through them........... (I seen enough to know that God wanted me to be doing them and what I saw were acts of God!!) but requires more and more typings...........
Back to the point: Then went to sleep..................
After that the way God was speaking to me telling me that I should do this, and that I should not worry about love was enough to make me turn from an atheist to a faithful, truthful believer of God!!!!!!!!!!!!!................
I forgot half of what happened because I have some bad memory, believe it or not, but people suffer trying to forget sometimes while I suffer trying to remember, and another thing is because many events happen with me which are between me and God so I forgot half of what was going on at that time which was only few weeks ago......
But I remeber some of the most important ones...........
Long ago in my life, I did read about how beautiful ladies in Heaven are like, in the scripture of God it says that they are beautiful enough that if one of them decided to look into our universe from Heaven..... she would light up the whole universe for how beautiful she really is............. at that time, I witnessed something...........
The sky a while after I did read it.......... did flash some light all at once, and I kept waiting for that sound which indicates that it was to be a lightning and did wait for about 10 minutes but never heard the sound............. I said to myself could be a lightning but the sound was unable to reach me......... and ignored it.......... (though, were no clouds in the sky.....)
It happened in another time in some other occasion................ I ignored it...............
It happened in another occasion.................... I ignored it
While in each time it happened there was some special event, somehow God was speaking to me in different ways and making me see that light but I was being so dump not to look and pay enough attention or perception.... while it was all obvious there........ but I was just busy thinking about what I will eat and drink and about the good things and the fun times I should each day of life get............ and how to skip the bad moments..........etc
But I seen enough in my life to believe and went through enough to realize exactly how God is speaking to me, I reached a point where I started to realize that God is always there for me, and always giving me something new to deal with, but of course testing me............. since that is what the whole universe (earth time) is specifically made for!!
Back to our point: I did sleep, I usuall wake up at 4:00 4:30 ........ walk a bit to wake up well, drink some water and wash up for a prayer called "the dawn prayer"
There is a corner here in the house which I never ever for many years went toward once I wake up specifically at such time when I wake up for the prayer......... but that night after I did sleep while saying "no God no way I can't do love and righteous path discussions both together at the same time...." I don't know why I went there, I had nothing to go there for, and never crossed my mind to go to that corner while at that corner I can see full sky in front of me........ but something, some invisible force did lead me to there (some kind of inspiration) and the very moment I reached out and looked at the sky........... it did all light up as a flash............ keeping in mind there were no clouds and it is still like summer here..........
Once that happened, I kept waiting for the sound which comes after each lightning........ for about 10 minutes but heard nothing.............
I knew it........... I knew that God was speaking to me! and I didn't need any more proof to believe that that light was some act of God to tell me that He wanted me to do both the discussion and to not worry about fall in the love............
But later on the same day at almost noon time, I was walking somewhere in the house and suddenly a piece of wood did fall on the ground, and I was like "ah damn it, do I have to take care of this piece of wood right now..........." then went and carried it to take it outside........... and did carry it all the way over with my both hands above........... (2Meter X 60MM, 2mm piece of wood) untill I reached where I want to put it....... was like 20 meters long distance with stairs, then did put it on the ground and did open my eyes carefully without knowing why and looked at the piece of wood like if it was someone and not some piece of wood guess because it bothered me while carrying it........
But the reason was not because it bothered me.......... some act of God it was! because what I saw after I looked at it was some of the scripture of God written on it, and what it was saying............... in short of course "I God never left you! and always with you () the after life is better than this life (earth life).....() And I God will certainly give you all you ask for of wealth and things until you be satisfied () didn't I find you orphan then took care of you () didn't I find you astray then guided you () didn't I find you helpless then did help you () so never ever pick on some orphan (meaning, always treat orphans with best treatments)....() and never disregard and push away the people which make requests and ask you..... () and speak and tell about the grace of God....
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If I want to mention all what happened with me just within the few days at the beginning of falling in love and starting this topic, I would write probably twice as much or more times than all the above, but I think these two are in a way enough aren't they?
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In short, I am not making the "looking for the truth" and the "existence of God" as if they were equal or as if they were two roads with the same end, but people talk, and I make responces according to what I know and what I believe in!
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Have fun at E+ and never take it with hard feelings no matter how much you lose nor how much stupid or dump or punk or bad or blithering idiot the player you are playing with really is, it's just a game and we are here to have fun and enjoy our times!!
20. October 2012 - 19:55
#84
Re: Looking for the righteous path
Instead putting so much effort in writing this long posts better go out and do something useful.
20. October 2012 - 19:58
#85
Re: Looking for the righteous path
wrote:Honestly i didnt read all the text but main points only, and i have questions to you:
2) Your story about person who wants to rape and defending this kid totally not a good example, its not about killing, burning ((btw europe men can say "Thank you" for hunting all the witches in the past (most of the beautiful women), there could be much more beautiful girls nowadays in europe)) thousands of people only cause they dont believe, especially come to countries with other culture and try to put them under control (Religion had a powerful control in those times).
First, what makes you so sure that the example I brought was not a good example?! I know what I wanted to say, and I brought such example for a reason, it also covered my point so clearly! but please just try to read it again and focus with what I was saying...............
I wasn't saying that people should kill people!! I was trying to cover how could someone be forced with no other option to kill another while to be considered a righteous kill! I hate to bring this subject which is (killing) but when people start making some false accusations and bring this subject, I just happen to have that moment no other option than to speak about it and clear it up!!
As you said! it's not about killing people, burning them what so ever........ but focus on that I am not the one who is speaking about it, I am the one who is trying to correct some wrong ideas regarding it...... As I will be speaking a bit more regarding this subject later on here to clear some other stuff about it.......
Second, it was so funny how you did add in the middle of this part around killing people and so..... it was so funny how you brought that idea between (....) while you were able to make it some separate point for better understanding and easier readings!
I am not trying to make fun of you! but really have you been saving yourself sometime not to make it a whole separate point at some other paragraph.... xD
To speak of the witches and beautiful women...... first of all, honestly!
Honestly!
Honestly!
I hardly see the women I brought pictures for as if they were beautiful......... but I know that people do because of the way they speak about them and how they make all the paparazzi at their presence...........!! I also had hard times trying to remember their names and looking for their pictures on google........... I can't believe how after I wanted to get just some photos it went that difficult to find them.......... and believe it or not, but each time I searched for one of them, after I see the group of pictures at google search, I always looked at the pictures and said to myself "laaaaaaaaaaaaaaadieeeeeeeeeeees (ladies) is this really really the best you can do?? is this all you got of beauty??...." and kept going through the photos trying to pick something nice but never went successfuly to find some photos which I would really like and consider good enough to bring for the subject, I was so disappointed while searching, but then had to make up my mind with some photos........ I kept thinking about not bringing any of them because it is kind of not proper thing to do, but needed to bring them here to help the people which could be not good with the sense of imagination to try to imagine with us to make the idea more clear to everyone........ so at last I did brought some......
Second, You need to know that there are types of the (good look)
* Beauty
* cuteness
* sweetness
* innocence
* attractiveness
whatever...........etc
Of course as measures of the look
There is something called (the inside beauty) if we care to speak of women! and this type of beauty is the most important quality of what a woman could have!! to consider!! Well, in my own personal opinion!
But really really?? what a woman is no matter how beautiful..... if she was dumb and/or stupid??
!!
In my opinion, I don't think she would be much of a woman........... as the inside beauty (the beauty of her heart and mind) are what makes the most out of the importance
Sometimes I could be so picky person, and my subject was at the moment I brought those photos was (Beauty)
There could be some girls which of course carry more cuteness, much more cuteness than the ladies at the pictures! but certainly not as beautiful (the outer beauty of the look)!
But maybe I was supposed to ask you to do that work for me, since honestly it took me some decent amount of time until I found them and really annoyed me while trying..............
Another thing, you don't really need to tell me if there were more beautiful ladies than the ones I brought photos for, since I met with some girls in my life which are really more beautiful and has much more cuteness and sweetness than those....... and the reason why I couldn't see them looking any good "but decided to bring them anyway because I knew people do find them beautiful or so.......", probably was because I find the last girl I met with being a better looking than them all while put together (by combining their good looks all together) she also is more cute and more sweet than them all........
I don't know, maybe being blinded by the feelings I had............ but that is how it is.....
Have fun at E+ and never take it with hard feelings no matter how much you lose nor how much stupid or dump or punk or bad or blithering idiot the player you are playing with really is, it's just a game and we are here to have fun and enjoy our times!!
20. October 2012 - 20:13
#86
Re: Looking for the righteous path
Quote:
Honestly i didnt read all the text but main points only, and i have questions to you:
3) Why different countries have different number of commandments from God? Didnt he love every person the same? Didnt he give everyone the same rights? If i will right 10 commandment or some bible style book and say that God was leading my hand, will it count? Why should i believe in one God and not in many of them (like Greece or Egypt gods), personally their stories are more interesting and more realistic (realistic as myth can be ofc). In fact Christian religion is just combined and a bit reworked story from other older religions. Thats why i question that Bible and commandments were wrote with God help.
Well, your question is so clear, thank you!
First I would like to bring some very current story around the very paragraph here above which is as a question of yours!
I first watched the boys and girls setting the house on fire here (making lots of comments with some aggressiveness and hard feelings and so............) and most obvious is that they were making arguments than simple and kind discussions.... so I got a bit angry about it and decided to type again (while as a person, I do really hate typing and you can't believe what it would take so I get into this mood of typing) I could drink two bottles of coffee and two bottles of tea just to get myself into this.... So I started typing and typing, because first I had to cover the previous comments in order to get to the recent ones........ I started typing around 2:00Am after midnight, I kept typing but it appeared how much I had to type for the issues I had to clear up and cover....... kept typing and typing...........
It became 4:30AM
I reached at this point at around 4:30Am, at this point (this question of yours around God, gods and the stories fo them and so........)
I stopped typing, and went for to pray the dawn prayer....
I am a Muslim person who is adopting Islam, and I make the five prayers of the Islamic religion each day.... Thankfully ............. (well, not all on time, but always trying.....)
One of the muslim's prayers is a prayer at around 3:40 to 5:20Am depending on the calendar and the time scale of the year (some where between 3:40 and 5:20am during the whole year but I never paid enough attention to know the exact hours.....)
At these days it is around 5:00Am 5:20Am, So I went to drink some tea as my eyes went blury and got tired, and was thinking about the question "God and gods and the stories........" while annoyed of course and like if the blood in my head was boiling......
Why annoyed? well, I will cover it later on here but let's go on with the story........
I did drink some tea then went to the prayer (to the mosque)
The mosque is located down the hill of where the house I am staying at is, so I have to walk down the street to reach the mosque..........
I finished the prayer and left the mosque......
There is a requrest which I made to God sometimes these days, which is that I asked God to walk with me while I am walking at the street alone and make me feel like if He was my friend walking with me............ xD
I left the mosque while annoyed regarding your question, regarding being forced to type again and because of some of what the boys and girls are typing down here at this topic.......
By leaving the mosque heading back to the house of course meaning that I will have to walk up the hill on the street upward......... it was still too dark and the last minutes of night, but there was some very slight amount of dark and light blue in some areas of the sky and some obvious so beautiful nicely shaped clouds so near to the ground making some shape, while walking upward the hill, the street is all along the way straight is so obvious untill it reaches the end of the hill.............
The clouds were like beginning from the end of the street at the top of the hill going into two lines each heading to the other direction and upward making long two lines heading opposite ways............
At the middle of the sky straight above the end of the street was (Mars) or one of the planets maybe Venus or Jupiter........ but was as sharp as if it was a led light pointed at me while near by.......... it was so clear and so bright..... and what was more astonishing was that there was not one single other start in the sky! not even one too much pale..... Just none other starts, never....... not 4, not 100, not 20, not 2, only that planet or star or whatever it was..........
And what was of most astonishing of all was that I turned around and looked at the very most opposite side of the sky and did found some tremendous amount of stars in there.............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you ask me (I would definitely say yes) yes God moved all the stars to the other side just to make me laugh a bit and smile....... and of course to give me some reason and some story to speak to you with!!
How did I look straight above toward it? I was walking and looking at the ground while being somewhat annoyed........ and normally if I would look straight, I would still be looking at the street since that would be the level of my straight vision as it is a way up to a hill!....... if I would look up, the level of the end of the street would be the highest normal stop I would be normally able to look at with comfort not putting some pressure at my nick and my eyes.........
But how it happened was that I looked straight from looking at the ground toward that planet and that beautiful fantastic view.......... it was no coincidence........ I felt some inspiration and some invisible power making me look toward there!!
And after I saw that I did smile, and almost did laugh out loud xD........ but I couldn't catch myself so I did laugh a bit..........
Now, according to my experience and all I know about how God is treating me and speaking to me.......... I knew that God wanted me to laugh! as He was telling me as He always say it that even the moments when I forget about Him, He would still be there for me and always watching on me and answering my prayers if I ask, and if I forget, He always in remember!....... as He was asking me not to be annoyed!! Because I didn't need Him to say that He was there and show me some proof that He is only (ONE and the Only)
Back to why I get annoyed of such question....... such question as (is God one, are there many gods........ or why wouldn't the stories about multiple gods be considered more logic or so.............??.........)
Here just happened some similer event to the story I told above regarding that plante!
After I reached this point of typing, right before the green line just the very moment while typing the question........... The call for (God is the greatest) began
I have no reason for to lie to you!!
As I am so sincere to find the truth!! I want the truth!!!!
But this is what happened, the call for (God is the greatest) began........... I stopped typing.........
Usually 10 - 15 minutes after sunset as it was exactly the time...., Muslim people go to the mosque for the prayer as is what I did, right after the call ends....... but I went a bit late......... just the usual (drinking some water...... saving files and things, locking the PC............ and stuff......) and while walking out, there was only the moon in the sky............ nothing else was obvious but the moon (simply nothing) other than the color of the sky of course! but that was like 20 minutes after sunset so not much of a thing or that is how I (as a person who doesn't easly to get impressed) would take it as..... and while walking in a hurry toward the mosque since I was a bit late (who would care to look at the sky while walking that with that hurry to catch up with the prayer................. But after I reached near by the mosque the same happened as how it happened with me in the story of the planet.......... I looked toward the sky and what I saw was
(The moon)
(The sign which usually happen to be at the domes of mosques "crescent" )
(The word "Allah" was right in the middle of that sign) while it is not usually to happen as always is a crescent without any words at domes of mosques to be! as it was kind of new, maybe they switched it recently....
While walking and after happened the same as how it happened with the planet event when some inspiration made me look toward the sky, it happened that at the very moment I looked, the moon crossed with that crescent which has "Allah" word on it...... (who would be walking in a hurry to enter some building then simply try to check to see what's in the sky for no reason??!!) But I didn't get impressed yet for that moment.......... I am not of a kind to be impressed easily....!!
I finished the prayer...... usually take about 10 - 15 minutes for the prayer to end.......
At the prayer the prayer leader should recite some of the scripture!
The first verse he began with was (Quran 8: verse 5) and it says in short "as that God brought you out of your house with the truth while some of the ones which believed do dislike......"
It would take some long to explain it all, but how it did began the important here (as that God brought you out of your house by the truth.......)
The next verse was of course (Quran 8: verse 6) and it says "They argue with you about the truth after it became so clear to them, by doing it they are like if they were being leaded to the death while watching and while doing nothing about it (or like if they are leading themselves to the death while just watching themselves doing it......."
Next verse (Quran 8: verse 7) it says, in short "once God promises you that you will be facing with people to show them the truth and you wish to be dealing with the ones which do not make ridiculous argues or fight, and what Allah desires for is to reveal the truth with His words and cut over the attempts of the infidels and blasphemers!!"
Next verse (Quran 8: verse
it says "to reveal the truth and cut over the wrong and false and invalid even if the infidels would hate for it to happen....."
I wasn't so much impressed yet............
I did sit a bit there in the mosque and then decided to leave, but while leaving I looked at some corner.... (again, was not one normal kind of a look or coincidence) I looked at some corner of the mosque while leaving and did see a label written on it (Allah is the greatest).......... believe it or not, I been attending to this mosque for months everyday almost 3 times a day, but this time was the only time I saw the label...........
Not yet........... not too much impressed.................. I left the mosque, it was kind of dark at then, the sky at that moment already faded to dark decently....... so I said to myself "now I can see the starts which I couldn't see after I kept looking the moment I left the house at and seen none of them but only one thing which was the moon!...."
I kept looking and looking, I found not a single start in the very clear no cloudy sky!!
Not a single start.......... not even one which was so pale or so.......... flat clear not cloudy with none stars sky, and only the moon was there................
I said to myself "but it is dark already!!".......... and yes it is the glory of God which could simply make the stars disappear and make things go the way it all been going on!
I didn't need any proof from God for to know He was there, nor a proof to know that He was only 1
I didn't need any events from God for to bring here as a story, because I have stronger stories than the ones I brought here which He already made me go through, and if I would write down events and stories of the strongest ones of which I ever witnessed in my life I would write ten thousand pages and probably not finish........ but I guess that God wanted to give me some events to bring as current, and all what happened these two days were messages to you!
Since God mentioned in the scripture that the last messenger was prophet mohammed but also mentioned that His messages are never ending!
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Now back to our subject: is God 1? isn't it more logic the stories of egypt people or greec about mulitpe gods?........ and so
The question which would solve this mystery is ((What is God?)) which is a question that many people which argue about the existence of God and/or if he was one or more than one never ever asked themselves such........
So.......
What is the definition of God?
A christian friend of mine who used to discuss the matter "who is God?" with me asked me a question while all his aim was to prove to me that Jesus is a god...........
His question was "can God commit sin?" because he wanted to reach with me to a point that God can't really do anything and that is why God did refer to Jesus as a second level God to help him deal with us ((Human))
Human!!..........................
In his opinion:......... god simply failed after creating human so He needed help
Do I have to not wonder??..............
Anyways......
I said "Yes!" and he said "No!" and I said "Yes! but he said "No!..... God can not commit a sin" but he was shocked because he never expected some answer!! though if he ever thought about it himself he would have got an answer, but he was blindly following some rules and some knowledge gaind and heard by others............. he also was not making some honest fair discussion instead he was in a way trying to impose his thoughts and believes which he himself was not sure if they were true or not........
I told him, "Yes God can commit a sin!" and I explained to him........
First, God created the title called sin! and God created the elements which are needed in order to commit a sin!!
The title sin now started to sound different than it really is right?!
Sin is a choice! it is a choice given to Human for to be tested with........ God simply said to human this is a sin........ and you should not do it for the love of God!
Do you love God? do you love the truth? then don't do it!
If the answer was no, then the person who chooses "no" may commit a sin, but will lose God! and will lose the love of God!
So I told him (my christian friend) God can do anything! but God does justice and truth and does being God!
And if God wants to do anything, who's there to judge?! and who is there to stop Him?! God can take lives!! taking lives is a sin!!!! but when God does that, it can't be called a sin anymore because God gave the life and simply decided to take it back!!
Now who is there to judge and say God committed a sin by taking the life which He who provided?
God created the thing called sin, and created the elements needed in order to make a sin happen
God can do anything, and never needed Jesus to help him with anything! God simply created Jesus and sent him to earth in a way to prove he was a messenger of God as that is what God always did with His messengers! sending them with miracles!!
But also giving us Humans enough reasons to know they are no gods!! but instead helpless messengers just like us humans, and only being helped by God!!
Jesus always needed to eat food! and that is enough reason for me to know that there is no chance for him to be called a "God" even if he was able to replace earth with the sky but not only to raise the dead!!...........
Back to our point: who is or what is the definition of "God"
God is:
Who is capable of doing everything and anything!
Who is at most high! (at the highest levels of everything and everyone)
Who is the creator and not the creature! (there is nothing called God was created!! because the thing which was created and to be called God can't really since being created is enough reason for that thing not to be called a God because God is the more powerful than that thing to be able to create it!)
Who is the owner and not the one who is owned!!
Not finished with......... but till here is enough!!
Now let's get back to the question (why the stories about multiple gods shouldn't be taken as more logic as a story of one God..........??) !!
Once comes the presence of a God, who near that to be called a god really?!
Example: let's say there are two Gods, and each of them has half the world.........
Really?
First, if they were two..... then each of them would take what does belong to.....
Second, if they were two, then only one of them to be called God!! the one with more power and more capablities!! the one which is capable of anything!!
And if they have some limited capabilities then both don't deserve to be called Gods!!
After that been said, now you can imagine how such a question would annoy me really!
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3) Why different countries have different number of commandments from God? Didnt he love every person the same? Didnt he give everyone the same rights? If i will right 10 commandment or some bible style book and say that God was leading my hand, will it count?
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In fact Christian religion is just combined and a bit reworked story from other older religions. Thats why i question that Bible and commandments were wrote with God help.
First, there are two kinds of religious people (I mean by religious people here the people which carry on the religion and try to spread it on all over the world and try to preach it......)
Wrongful insincere unfaithful ones.......
Righteous ones!
Wrongful ones do preach it and interpret the scripture in ways of which fit for their own interests and own personal opinions and desire........... and I guess that you can imagine how many different opinions and different interests do exist on our earth if we speak about selfish people!!
Righteous ones are two kinds!!
* knowledgeable enough..........
* Some which lack for knowledge!!
The righteous knowledgeable ones do spread religion and the scripture of God exactly as it is, as also they never interpret it for their own interest because they have no reason for that, because if they are smart enough and they are smart enough.... they would know their interest is located right in the middle of spreading the religion in it's most righteous shapes!!
And good news are if you meet with them or one of them or get information by any source, you will know!! that is righteous that is as long as you are faithful to know the truth!! because the truth simply fits with mind and logic! your heart will be a guidance too...........!!
But of course both together! (mind and heart) since mind solo is like a machine while heart solo is like a blind censor!
One thing about Christianity: it is a human made title!! there is nothing called christianity in the religion of God (christianity) is named after the so called christ which in the opinion of the people that adopt that ideology is who will save humanity from God............ but honestly does that sound logic to you that someone who needed to eat food the whole age he lived on earth and food created by God really can save humanity from God really?
Second,
wrote:If i will right 10 commandment or some bible style book and say that God was leading my hand, will it count?
You can't, you as simple as this, you just can't write something and say it is from God and get away with it!! you can't make it look like if it was from God! you or me or anyone as human can't speak something which would sound like if it was from God! because it will simply speak for itself and tell people "I am from human and not from God" the truth is as strong as that!! but we just need to go for it and pay enough attention!!
Something you need to know about the bible is that it includes both (Words of God) And (Words writen by humans and been referred to as if they were from God)
The wonderful thing is that the words of God which are included in the bible are strong enough to indicate to us about the words which are human made and writen by humans minds!! besides that the words which are from humans speak for themselves too!!
As is in the Holy Quran, God says in many different areas of Quran that the bible has many modifications by humans, writen and brought only from humans but not from God!!
Watch this, a smart man who was a Christian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6IXayK0kzs
If you don't understand what he said, please let me know, I will try to write a script for what he was speaking about,
Anyways, in general, He was a Christian, then converted to Islam for that he found many misconceptions and false calls in the translations and interpretations made for the bible as he was able to find that the bible did point to the Islamic religion, he also found out after looking and looking for the truth that Islam was a total different religion than he used to know for the false news and given ideas he used to get regarding it........
wrote:Didnt he love every person the same? Didnt he give everyone the same rights?
God is so clear about equal rights and justice!! that is what religion is brought down for in the first place!
God is also so clear about whom He loves and whom He hates!!
Allah doesn't love everyone! but loves the faithful, truthful, honest good people! which love Him too and do good for the sake of Him!
Allah hates the evil bad unfaithful untruthful those which are not honest people and only ruining the world........
To speak of whom are the ones which God loves and whom which God hates with details is a very very big subject to speak of......
But of course He calls for justice and gives chances to everyone to choose from right and wrong, but certainly doesn't love everyone! He shows us the righteous path and the wrongful one and makes us choose................
Those which choose righteousness, God loves them very much! but those which choose bad and wrong and evil God only hates them!
God loves the ones which repent sincerely too if they happen to commit wrong!!
Thank you very much loxotron for your questions and for your thoughts! you been so kind! thank you for reading and thank you for your patience.......
If there is anything in mind you would like to discuss with me, if you have any questions, or any thoughts regarding our topic here please do not hesitate! you are so welcomed!
Thank you!
Have fun at E+ and never take it with hard feelings no matter how much you lose nor how much stupid or dump or punk or bad or blithering idiot the player you are playing with really is, it's just a game and we are here to have fun and enjoy our times!!
20. October 2012 - 20:22
#87
Re: Looking for the righteous path
wrote:Instead putting so much effort in writing this long posts better go out and do something useful.
Thank you for the tip spraw!
Have fun at E+ and never take it with hard feelings no matter how much you lose nor how much stupid or dump or punk or bad or blithering idiot the player you are playing with really is, it's just a game and we are here to have fun and enjoy our times!!
25. January 2013 - 0:45
#88
Re: Looking for the righteous path
then u call for the police for fuck sake... trying to play a hero will end up in a bullet in your head the kid will going to be raped anyway and since he was a witness of murder going to be killed same like u... my hero! <3 aside ****** **** ********, ** ***** ***** ******* and the same time making him and yourself dead, very smart ;}
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then I find you in the hands of some man who's trying to rape you............
You can't keep a secret do you fala?
Call the police? o.O
that would be your wish!! because police would need at least an hour to arrive to the area..... and you know it!
But you have no idea how it could ruin some normal kids life and live all along with a bad memory and helpless tries to forget or so.......... that is of course if not taking it all out on the world and try to revenge from everyone who has got something to do with it and who has got nothing to do with it too........................
But I wouldn't be put through some test and watch some kids life being ruined while know it and not do something about it, besides I was trying to give some example around how would a kill be righteous or not................ we were supposdly assuming!! ((example)) and should be taken as it is, not as what fits with your own mind about it, because it is some assumption!!
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Or:
Its some old user who wants to make fun out of us, etc
I am of the oldest E+ players, and I was at the beginning of it's establishment, but stayed for few weeks then left for life issues........... then came back years after........... and I am not here to make fun of you people!
I am speaking with sense and scinence, mind and logic!
All I say is simple and clear, as long as people do not make false assumptions around it while for emotional reasons of course.........!!
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wrote:God doesn't exist, we are all created by creatures from another planet( s )!
Thank you for your thoughts spraw, but does it make sense to you that the creators are living in some created environment by some more superiors really?
Does it make sense to you that there is nothing and no superior power at the outer of what we are at no reach of while there are creators living right near us in the inner space really?
Please reconsider!
Thank you!
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thomasyea wrote:
I wouldnt show myself even now.. anyway they just have to wait till humanity dies out ppl will kill this planet soon or later if not then the sun will explode and burn this shit out.
You are so smart to know that the creator wouldn't reveal Himself to the very limited minded ignorant human!! but how come you hardly finding it carrying some logic that God who created this world is not doing so.........??!!
For the record, it is mentioned in the scripture!! as God said "I wouldn't reveal myself to the ignorants!!"
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Are you not a bit too strict to GOD? Do you forgot that there (on Earth) are several religions?
Properly would:
"- **** all the gods and sacred who is looking at all the crap that is going on,
- **** all the gods and sacred who is looking at children dying from hunger,
- **** people who kill in name of all the gods and sacred,
- and most important, do your best to be a good person and be kind to others."
And..... do not expect that the right path is a straight path!! The right path is difficult and not always good for an individum BUT good for the community.
How philosopher you really are APOLLO!!
You have a prospective around religion and I have another!
I don't think you know as much as I do about religion!! and my prospective is that there is only one religion on earth!! but certainly many interpretations.............
You are an old man! but do you know how once someone start spreading dirty words, how that person would look like to the crowds?
No?
Just like this.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSZgkFtV-Ao
You know what APOLLO? it is too sad that a young man my age would have to teach an old man your age that dirty words are not good nor something nice to do...........
You seem to be so eager toward being a good person and a kind one to the others as you are giving it as an advice in your post!! but would you just give it as an advice while not going by it yourself??
That is too sad, because it all explain to me why those young fellows all around the world are hardly able to make one bloody single comment without dirty words.......... it speaks for itself around whom are the people which raised them.................!!
If you really are so eager to be kind and nice and care for the interest of the community which is something right you said by the way!! but why don't you be kind enough not to speak with dirty abuses here and why don't you put into consideration the religious peoples opinion? you said we all around the world have to be kind and nice to each other and it should be "that is true!!" but you can't do it yourself?
Or maybe some people don't deserve it or just are less level than you think you are just because they have some beliefs??
And what if they are the bad ones, why don't you be the good and tend to fix that with at least being kind and speak kindly!!
Last............. did you buy your PC yet?
I know how much you are willing to pay or already paid for it.......................
But don't you know that the amount of money you are willing to pay for the new PC you want to buy is enough to take care of the expenses for one whole family consisted of parents and kids which go to school for more than a year??!! that amount of money could take care of their expenses of all the aspects of their life for not only a year but a year and a half too...........
So instead of wasting your time trying to spread some only dirty words at topics which have no place for and in most need for kindness, politeness and respect to be discussed properly, why don't you try to be the kind man and teach the young fellows something good or at least try to change with the people which are trying for a better world, and less hunger!!
I wouldn't feel so bad to watch a young fellow bringing some trash out of his mouth, but with an old man as old as you............... it is damn sad................
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wrote:You are making it hard to respond in the traditional manner so I will do it like this:
And I am not a religious man!! if you look closely through the whole conversation and comment's you would find me being the last to bring religion into this topicand
..... just speak with sense, science, logic and mindHey, at least we got you to admit to what you are. Just so people don't labour under false pretenses as easily happens with demagogues like you.
Quote:zealot |ˈzɛlət|noun
a person who is fanatical and uncompromising in pursuit of their religious, political, or other ideals.
My definiton of you would be that you are an asshat and should be institutionalized though. Guess I just broke your thread rules, welcome to freedom of speech and the western world.
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You know mircwar? I always wondered "why world war 3 is not fired up till now yet????" but then said to myself "probably someone there like superman or spiderman saving the world by stopping it each time it is about to spark........."
Wow ................... I am impressed really!!
Congrates mirco............ cheers, you are saving the world!! thank you!!
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At least the dumb man in that joke kept insisting on his opinion while asking the donkey to admit he if it was a deer.... but his dumbness was in a way limited!!
You just don't know what is it you want, but maybe obsessed with some hero you watched in a movie or something and wish to look like in way or another...............
((welcome to freedom of speech and the western world))?? ??
Listen kid, don't take this with hard feelings or with offense! I am only trying to teach you something new..........
Would you go tell your mama that she is an asshat?? would you go tell her she is a zealot anytime she tries to teach you something or at least only discuss some issue with you?? would you tell her that she is a fanatic each time she thinks you are wrong about something or not that, but just because she thinks she is right about something??
You wouldn't right?!
I don't think anyone would unless damaged-minded person!
Your mama is your mama, you have her as a mama! you own her!! she owns you as a son too!! the same with your papa, the same with your brothers and sisters........ the same with your girlfriend and so........ those I just mentioned are people which you own and that they own you!!
How would you call that a freedom of speech once you can't say the things you just say here to the people which belong to you, saying them to the people which do not?? !!
You can play quake, means you are grown up enough, and you have to know all that..........
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you are at the wrong territory!! because if you ever knew who argumentbringer (
) is, you wouldn't go through any kind of argument with..........
And example: I started this topic and was speaking to her like " please baby please, we need to make this discussion in a fashionable elegant way.............. no dirty words, no offenses and so on......... alright baby?"
but she simply couldn't take it and catch her own and started to make not proper comments......
So I was trying with her again and again and again just to help her get over her emotions and do better with the discussion and how we should speak to people...........
But all went unsuccessfully............ all my tries and all my nice and sweet words to her went for nothing..............
What was sad was that I was about to lose her 
I saw it coming...........
I knew she was about to lose her temper
And I was like "NNNoooooooooooo NNNNoooooooooooo baby NNNNooooooooooo don't go and hold on, you can do it you can do it, PPPPLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAS baby hold yourself some pressure...................."
But then it happened...................
She abandoned the thread and said something while jumping into the water
She probably said that the thread was abandonded!!
wrote:I'm not even gonna try, lol.
Now you can understand how much off your territory you really are James and you understand what she means to me........... alright??
You better not do it again and dare to argue with her, this time I'll let it slip..........
What was sad and more sad that after she left me, she only started to appear from time to another and only abuse me
What do I have to do
I just did sing her a song, hoping she would be alright and eventually get over her madness with me..............
And regarding this
wrote:wrote:
talking is the easiest thing a human being can possibly do?
People need just a few years to learn to talk since the birth, but we need entire life to learn how to stfu.
Please James excuse us please, she didn't mean it, but she is just being damn angry and jealous cause argumentbringer seems to be coming back to me..............
She's been acting crazily even before that for some other issues so please excuse us we don't mean it!!
Thank you James for your nice posts!
I will be back with some comments regarding them hopefully soon!
Thank you very much!!
And you (
) you did pass your limits really!!
You are following me all around, annoying the respectful people which speak and deal with me and obviously taking your pressure and anger caused by your jealousy of argumentbringer and the fact she is more near to me than you at everyone............
Don't say I didn't warn you woman, because I did.............
Sadly............... but out of my head out of my mind...........it's over............ go find someone else and please just leave me alone................!!
Have fun at E+ and never take it with hard feelings no matter how much you lose nor how much stupid or dump or punk or bad or blithering idiot the player you are playing with really is, it's just a game and we are here to have fun and enjoy our times!!
20. October 2012 - 20:36
#89
Re: Looking for the righteous path
Apologies for the multiple posts, but they all were combined as only one, though didn't seem to be possible to put them all in one post as it can't hold them all at once........... so had to split them into pieces.....
Thank you for reading!
Have fun at E+ and never take it with hard feelings no matter how much you lose nor how much stupid or dump or punk or bad or blithering idiot the player you are playing with really is, it's just a game and we are here to have fun and enjoy our times!!
20. October 2012 - 21:48
#90
Re: Looking for the righteous path
is there a doctor in the house ? i mean psychiatrist 
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I make it easier to be read then.... thanks for the tip!
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