A storm of ignorance

Being confronted by hilarious and bloody noobish behaviours/sayings/accusations of people, i just thought about writing a blogpost about the veil of ignorance drawn over the E+ community...

"Prejudice is the child of ignorance" by William Hazzlit ( a british writer famous of his humanistic essays)

Lets start about what ignorance i am talking about... the definition to this word differs depending on context.. I am talking about the lack of willingness to accept a choice made and formed by more than 50% of this community...

It seems like people in here, are becoming more and more narrow-minded...The only thing they see is what they WANT to see...

Some people, we know who, accuse old-schoolers, for being ignorant and using their reputation to stomp on the "low level" players suggestions/oppinions....These people just like being the victim in a case..
It doesnt matter WHAT way, HOW, WHAT and WHEN you say, they just stretch the other players WORDS, and start instulting and talking about him/her and putting everyone of his friends/clanmates into 1 fucking melting pot...Guess who is the ignorant?

A clear way of how democracy works, if 80 people like the TEST.cfg and 20 people dont, means that the TEST.cfg will stay on server....Since you 20 people cant do anything grin and bear with the situation...
Then some of the 20 people start flaming about switch time, spawnprotection, friendlyfire and get confronted either by the rest 80's or creator/helper of the TEST.cfg, who dont share the same oppinion, and again.

" they just use their reputation, their knowledge (which by the way is FREE to learn through google) and declines some1s suggestion"

Lets talk a little bit more specific....plusN config (which is based on old e+ configs)... switchtime whining (which is all about timing in the end), lg-sg-lg shit.... and that people are not willing to accept new configs...

BULLSHIT

Take bananarail.cfg... An awesome config, really fun to play... and a NEW one, all people play on it....creators of plusn, lovers of plusn, haters of plusn...

So flamers, did u see any oldschooler or any1 trying to do ANYTHING AGAINST this cfg?
It was a new suggestion of a new clan, who no1 knew about Tongue and no1 stopmed on it...

Another example...

If the flamers say that some specific known people are not willing for new things...why are there so many maps on every server? cpm maps, custom maps??

Those little things, which are working against the flamers attitude, are overlooked...

Anyway I am not really in the mood anymore to write other examples and go further in it

I just have to say that people stop accusing anyone and for fuckings sake dont twist other peoples word ( this i personally refer to ZMB*KID)

Not everyone shares the same oppinion with you (general speaking).. So be ready to take criticism like a man and discuss it privately (not on servers for eg) or in forum...and dont act childish flaming around...

cheers

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First, I'm fairly new so maybe I missed it, but I never saw a poll asking the community about the config they would want to see on public servers such as aim/beer. ( thing you said about 80% 20% democracy ). -- sideways - Those servers are actually being payed for by the people who supposedly make the decision of configs on it, so in that case I don't think I or any other person should have a say about it, unless the people who bought the server want it for the community as they do I guess.
Second "Take bananarail.cfg... An awesome config, really fun to play... and a NEW one, all people play on it....creators of plusn, lovers of plusn, haters of plusn.
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That is a good cfg and people like it, but most people who play it play rail only, while most community plays FTAG with all weapons, so the server is simply not as relevant to people as Beer / Aim.
Third I've seen dumber things that fighting for opinions/wants/needs/passions of people , specially when it's not for a selfish cause.

Personally , I know jack shit about cfgs, Still dunno the diff between plusN and plusC unless it's just items ( hp armor ) , except the new change where rail damage is lower, which I don't really love but I guess I can handle it since it's better training for CW.

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go back a couple of years of, browse back the forum history.

Me alone made 5 or 6 of such polls.

Polls on such things are BULLSHIT BTW. If u start to make polls, u have to make polls for nearly any settings. More than 100 polls for 1 cfg.

Just can say, Fala did include A LOT OF SUGGESTIONS from community into the config. The config is meanwhile miles away from his personal taste and people still say "plusN is just made as fala likes it". To check that u need just to read the 4 or 5 concerning threads beside the main plusN thread.

Alot of people who rise up and claim they are so open minded, DO SEE NOTHING. E+ simply changed. Not because of 1 person, not because of 2 or 3 clans, IT CHANGED BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING.

There are people who claim that Mr. and F2B have a secret circle where they plan how to influence the community. When i heard this, i wasn't able to stop laughing. Actually i didnt know if i should laugh or cry.

This is one of a couple of aspects why riku made this blog. Did u see Riku complaining like this just once? Nobody did. There is a point reached that some say to them self "fight for this place or leave it".

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I see what you mean about can't do a poll about it, it's true, and first thing that people should say to fala/devs is thanks for doing the job. But if it was just 1 person I don't think kiku would open this blog post - Meaning it's SOME/Many people.So what I say is, instead of saying their stupid and such, just guide them to a place they can be heard. I KNOW there's the cfg thread, and suggestion/feedback forums, but if we've come to this maybe we need something more specific to calm shit down? I mean I see fala answering a million answers on that cfg thread, I hope it could be more simple, Something like a weekly cleaned thread where Fala/devs read feedbacks, and once a week clean it and post answers with quotes .

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Oh, and just 1 remark.

Anyone who starts doing something for others, sooner or later he has haters in his back. That is also a fact with no exception in this community. That about the quality of some here.

@ur post I9
I like ur suggestions somehow, even i think this will lead to a never-ending work.

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Well it's the gift and the curse, being able to help people, people need to try and deal with it.( not regarding to you since no one can do it for so long I guess ).And the way I see it, is Fala has never ending work as it is! only it looks like a mess if someone like me is trying to read 5 pages to see what's going on - allot of times cause diff people ask same thing cause they don't know how to begin reading all those pages. I think people with the knowledge about these stuff/ devs/ fala would prefer having an organized thread that gets locked/archived every end of the week or 2 weeks, will be much easier for them to work / get requests, and will be more open for people with feedback / dislikes of cfgs, I believe they'll feel being taken under consideration.

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i think its a problem of perception .. its more about normality and about new things.. in any community there will be ppl that don't like new changes and there will be ppl that wanna improve and would like new stuff ... to attack something you need to know more information i think ( more profs .. why? because "that makes the world go round" Happy )

if plusN that you love would overturn into a noob cfg overnight every1 would want it back? .. but are you sure that the new cfg is rly noob? what are the perceptions that causes you to say that? doesn't it opens new grounds? its too hard to control ? information are the key in understanding the situations .. also knowing why a key element for you changed, would make you realize if your doubts aren't egocentrics.

Also a config is made for community not for 2-3 clans .. many ppl now tries to find new roads to improve .. new wicked ways that ofc don't work .. the only way to improve is to play and train yourself.. searching for other paths are a waste of time. train train train. No the time of how much you trained or played doesn't matter .. it matter only to improve your game style.

And btw if you want a new config then just ... create one! and if it will be played so much then we might see it as official.

I think that all of these resumes to training and doing stuffs like you should .. BUt ofc anyone knew already what i said in here so:
ANNOUNCEMENT: DON'T READ THIS POST .. NOTHING NEW Happy

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I play whatever cfg there is on any freeze tag servers and all changes in last two years didn't really affect my gaming experience in a major way.... I like current cfg on beer the most!

"I just have to say that people stop accusing anyone and for fuckings sake dont twist other peoples word ( this i personally refer to ZMB*KID)
Not everyone shares the same oppinion with you (general speaking).. So be ready to take criticism like a man and discuss it privately (not on servers for eg) or in forum...and dont act childish flaming around..."

no offense kiku but if kid was the main inspiration for this post then you should have talked to him and not take it to forum.... and it seems to me people didn't really take it too serious Winking

I disagree with kid's recent opinions and actions too to be honest....

I think kid became billy the kid after skull wrote some post where he said kid was "less than a half player".

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Okay guys, next time I wanna waste time on a useless topic I'll call you.

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why should i talk to him privately? he will twist again the words, and even commit suicide after gettnig hard words...he is the one who stands out with his accusations publicly....i go against him with the same weapons...thats all to it..

ultra i never took something like that,serious, but if some1 spreads words about u and ur clanmates and other OLD and founding clans to others and tries to get them on his site in a sneaky fucking way, without knowing any shit at all ,except of spamming,mapping and having 100000 shitty talk binds...sry thats overdoing it...

and kid is now some1 i dont know and never knew and never will get known....

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i talked to kid (already some days ago) to pinpoint the problem.

his problem is the weapon switch.

our problem is that he has is a friend of conspiracy theories. actually hes saying that the weaponswitch is optimized for the good players (since they dont have any problems) and that these good players do not let the easy players warmup and 'train' their switch.

there is another problem that kid has is the non shooting weapons when switching, this might be connection problem or config related, thats why i asked kid for a demo from localhost which i didnt recive yet.

hurrenson: "This idiot is apparently not familiar with a rail/sniper style."

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so much writen down on that blog and you took only one peace out of it ultra, its a whole of the plot
i'm gonna show you something Winking

i came on beer some day's ago with my F2B tag and changed my name into beer@jeffer when some1 noticed i was one of "The Rats" what he later on tried to correct with despredly saying NOT YOU !!!
maybe not me.... but it sux to hear that i'm one of those rats but then not me but my clan =/

i know he's a good person, but even good persons CAN go TO far