Whats best for us ?

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3. February 2009 - 13:20
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Think I'm not the only one here and as how i will explain my position further, I think I represent the majority in e+ . Yea the kind of person, who ain't involved in any moderation act, any ranking plan or being part of those smalls groups of people which think they got the power. Yep I'm talking about the normal user/player of e+.

Nowadays, from my point of view, seems this mod felt into a drama. Those ban cases, awaitin of the 1.04, changing the ranking mods and many more. None from what i saw till now got a clear reply from some1 "trusted"(mod/admin) . There were always topic made after, trash canned and so on . I know also, u cant satisfy all of them, but seems like 90% of the people from the main topic comes back on the 2nd topic which should represent a continous part of the 1st. is it normal ?

Rules ? Imo if we go with the rules, much more should be banned. After all we agreed when we signed up with those rules. If you just do a ban in like a year u see whats happening. Everything seems odd and many raises against mods, which imo do a great job atm .

Ok, so whats the point of the topic ? Well maybe in this topic we, all, can construct something positive to this community, based on what those smalls groups ive mentioned have to say .

So, Id like to open the pandora box with one of classics imo Happy . Rena ranking vs Skull-Ina ranking . Would like both sides, to give arguments why Rena was better or why Ina& Skull are better . Or whats wrong .

This topic dont have the intention to settle anything down. Its just a topic for most of us to understand more clearly the situation and yea maybe as an effect, changes to get involve.

Many more to say and excuse my poor english skills, but hope every1 understood what i wanted to say.

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3. February 2009 - 13:28
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I really, really, really, really, really hate to say this, but overall, Rena did a better job at rank managment. He was actively engaged in many around-ranking activities and made sure 'stuff' was happening. Much less shitty judgement calls, either, though, that changed towards the end. Oh well.

There are lessons to learn from both, mistakes to observe and make sure will not happen again. In Rena's case, the mistake was being unable to hear out negative opinions. This taught us having just one rank moderator is a mistake. Skull and Ina taught us having more mods, but ones that are kissing each others asses is a mistake, too, fueling paranoia and being water on conspiracy theorists (me among them) mills.

Let's not forget about Foksie, either, which i think was, all in all, the most sane and leveled mod (most of the time).

The conclusions aren't hard to draw out.

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3. February 2009 - 13:38
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well, a hit-word would be common-respect. Giving each other a minimum of respect, nobody says we must fall in love with each other.

anyway. I dont expect that easy will ever finish 1.04. is there anyone who is in closer contact with arqon? Yes, i mean this arrogant creator from cpma?

Maybe he could modifie cpma like that, that we would be able to make weaponpowers to our needs and make something like "cpm-xp".

I dont think it would be to much work for him to make weapons customable, similiar to e+. If there is smo, who knows how to contact arqon, or is chatting with him from time to time, i think this would be a good idea.

If arqon could make this happen, smo could rend a cheap domain ala "cpm-xp.xyz" and we could create a independent community.

just a few ideas..., since easy will never finish 1.04... and since cpm is a pretty grown mod, just needed to make it more customable.

The only problem would be, that i doubt that arqon could do it as server-side only mod.

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3. February 2009 - 13:52
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Have to agree with Mad, tho i was a part(small hope) of gettin Rena down. Things were not so smooth between us that time, but that wasnt cause of the ranking, but more of personal issues. Think everything is good now, Rena Happy (check this song Rena, is kinda from my side haha : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K726SB6Ai-M , coincidence cause i was just listening to it now )

As for foksie, I dont see him around so its pointless to speak NOW about him comming back since he cant do anything even if most of us wants him back .

IMO, all in all, Rena was better. Maybe now there are other times, more unclearified cases appeared, but none of this were present during Rena's domination Happy . So in case of a poll, my vote will go for Rena (or foksie if he gets back) . Maybe u can work together, as Mad said about u Rena "This taught us having just one rank moderator is a mistake"

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3. February 2009 - 14:00
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my decisions in rank a rarely without any reason (if i ever did one without a reason)
thats why i kinda want to know where u guys got ur problem instat of simply saying all bad.

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3. February 2009 - 14:01
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In order to fix something that is broken - you have to specify/clarify what's not working first. Here is a perfect opportunity to do that. To be honest I'm not completely sure what all the ruckus is about - but I can guess and I think it's a combination of events during the last 4 months or so. But most of the rank decsisions that caused a shitstorm were reversed, no? I guess it's personal for some people.

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3. February 2009 - 14:16
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Hmmm...I can post on da 1st page of topic...lest start:
Take a look at his pic
http://www.tema.ru/jj/siski2.jpg
and at this one
http://clanrank.excessiveplus.net/rank/ranking-temporary.php
Answer to yourself honestly witch one is better?
Keep on jerking.
Discussion maker GS.

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3. February 2009 - 14:41
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^wtf Big grin

[MR.]MIRCWAR wrote:

I guess it's personal for some people.

That's exactly it. Instead of focusing the energy on improving the ranking and attracting activity to it, it was spent on playing judge, jury and executioner, with big slices of bias and offense thrown around for flavour. Reversed decisions, yes, but not due to self-realization, but peer pressure and/or admin intervention.

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3. February 2009 - 15:17
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kraster wrote:

So in case of a poll, my vote will go for Rena

Actually you are talking like Rena was willing and capable of running the rank again.
The main reason for Rena being switched off as Rankmod was the huge delay in ranking end of 2007. At that time he was not willing and/or able to keep up the work (a work he has done pretty good till then, indeed).
But yet Rena didn't say he is willing nor able to do the job as rankmod again.

That's why I'm wondering what all this "Rena come back"-hype is about Thinking

I agree with Mircwar tho... I hardly could discover some suggestions yet. Like shady shouting for revolution but not saying what there should be after Happy Actually we don't need ppl who take others down, but ppl who build something that works.

Tho saying that foksie did a great rank and ina+skull failed is ridiculous, since ina+skull didn't change stuff, but just continued on foksie's base.

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3. February 2009 - 15:20
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@ mad's post

But surely that works both ways - and then we have arrived at an impasse. At one point or another people need to learn to work together because as it is neither side is contributing from the situation, (constructive) criticism has to be an integral part of that.

I'm convinced that if people could approach eachother in a more "normal" way much grief could be avoided. But this is all in the past now I guess.

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3. February 2009 - 15:20
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Nevertheless I think it a little unfair to make the problems fixed at two persons. Mad, if you say it was a question mainly of that, playing judge, jury and executioner, than i agree with you partially. Why just partial. Because certain persons were celebrated as martyrs, like Killer, Sycor, etc. People who did not mind totally about the feelings of others, also not about the consequences, when they made their bullshit.

I think presumably we could have taken everything more easily. But the stress lies on "could". It was not like that. My opinion is therefore, we can not shift the failure only into one direction. The community is just as guilty, as the concerning mods.

Sounds sillly, however, it is like this.

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