Troubles with Ratw Zeazo as Ref on RUS RAIL CTF!!!!!!!

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Johnin*ELITE'Z* wrote:

he uses WH(already made sure he prove himself cheating with the legendary screenshot), I am 99% he uses some hack for increasing the bounce power with bfg and grenades.. and who know what else, but hey! That is not important because he brings flags? Big grin Laughing out loud

We return to the point where we have begun. Yes, all we know that he used cheats, he gave out himself.
But, please give me evidences that he still uses cheats.
Here or in another thread Muffin complains that was kicked and banned without evidences, meanwhile according to his words he has never used cheats.
So, when I have evidences, I will kick and ban cheaters.
I think, presumption of innocence should act, as well as statute of limitations.

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if you don't get that Alucard is a cheater for years despite playing there for ages then it's useless.

What are you good for as ref ?
You won't be able to see any hardcore cheater or see the difference compared to advanced clean players.

Gonna kick aimbot cheater which would get kicked automatically by AC anyways?
Change timelimit, change/force map, kick the wrong people (for disagreeing or "seeing cheats"), static ip bans (alucard), kick better players >< ?


The usual ref nonsense that only leads to more empty servers : D

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Do you want to say that you'll be a better referee?
Face it, this is an objective reality, which does not depend on your personal desires. For some reasons the admin has chosen some ones to be referees. It's his own server and his own reasons.
As for me, I try to be honest, impartial. Yes, I have a lack of some experience to detect cheaters. But nobody can say that I kick anyone without reason.

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I think V does a good job stop bashing him, because of his clear mind.
Bonnie and clyde you were also accused of cheating on rus rail ctf by """some persons""" or am i wrong?
I´ dont want to determine something! Maybe now you understand my case...

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I think my eyes start rolling out of my head.

I wouldn't want to be a ref on this server. It would be like being a janitor on a trash disposal site where the rat king reigns. Being a henchman of the admin that willingly doesn't ban cheaters to have full servers. You would have to pay me to do that.

It was generally said about the alucard-ref test which should apply to anyone. Can't help if he confirms and jumps on it. Zezao passes the Alucard test but then again fails in other areas like accusing everyone of cheats.

Pretty sure i had a chat with V before where he accused me/us as cheater already. Not even mentioning ZEZAO and his "photoshopped" screenshots Big grin

What's the point anyways if can't detect cheaters? (rhetorical questions)
- Kick people that disagree in chat?
- Forceteam people that winjoin?
- Change maps like CTF2 (or any other NON-DM-MAP) cause of dislike?

So yeah, basically just a rotating DJ DM map machine and kicking people who annoy Zezao.

Seen it happen plenty of times before. Server gonna be even more boring and dead with such refs.

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If you are not interested in the server, why do you come to shit here? Or do you behave like a dog (cat or any other animal) who marks territory?Or do you pretend to be a super-cheater-detector? I can say that there are ways to bypass any anti-cheat protection, because features which allow people to use cheats are built into quake3 engine.
The simplest example is how to make a undetectable WH. It was discussed in the forum.
So, try to be a human - shut up, if you have nothing to say on the topic.

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orsMuffin wrote:

I think V does a good job stop bashing him, because of his clear mind.
Bonnie and clyde you were also accused of cheating on rus rail ctf by """some persons""" or am i wrong?
I´ dont want to determine something! Maybe now you understand my case...

More or less, I agree with Bonnie(or Clyde) about the strictness of banning. In the case of Alucard, my opinion is that he MUST be banned. The fact that there're only several regular players left around must not affect the way of treating cheaters. It is absurd to create a new case of well known and proven cheater, make demos and have discussion and sharing opinions on something well known. It is just pointless waste of time.

Another thing, Muff, your profile is quite fresh on the forum, and you seem to know quite well not only the old players who are mostly inactive these days(at least on E+), but you are also aware of everything that has been going on in recent years. You seem quite skilled as well, which makes it obvious that you're an old player. What was your old nickname? Why new profile and new name? Just curious.

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As I can see, people think that those who have been caught with cheating must be banned forever. Right?If so, Alucard will be banned at RUS-RAIL-CTF. And what's about other suspected players?

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BONNIE & CLYDE wrote:

Pretty sure i had a chat with V before where he accused me/us as cheater already.

I don't remember that I accused you to be a cheater. I called voting to kick you with the comment: "deserves better opponents".

In fact I don't understand players, who pretend to be pro, who visit servers for amateurs and break the game balance.

Everybody can call voting for anything. But I don't kick nor ban anyone only on (my) suspicions or such thoughts.

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V1979 wrote:

As I can see, people think that those who have been caught with cheating must be banned forever. Right?If so, Alucard will be banned at RUS-RAIL-CTF. And what's about other suspected players?

Exactly V. Alucard is a proven cheater(and it is too obvious he still uses whatever he uses, not just WH). As for the suspected players, there is a procedure : demo(s ) --> post --> analysis --> discussions --> verdict.

If sometime in the future, after a year-long ban, the banned creature is willing to play again, he can if the admin allows him to do so, noting that if he cheats again, even once, he will be banned forever. I'm not sure but I think this is even a rule on E+.

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