Beazt and Assasin beside whining which describe your problem, mature people stay focused on problem and make analyze and then suggest possible solution. After that we can discous about what that solution can gain or make worse game etc.

But you behave as childs and say: "This is shit and we dont wanna people camp, we wanna people play as we do and move all the time..." With that you cannot acomplish anything. And also that can be seen as selfishnes and whining, nothing more.

So, please do what I wrote here on first paragraph.
Best regards

hmm time to put the record straight...err yea i didn't really agree with hq when he asked beazt to stop "bitching" in the beginning of this thread (long long time ago, in the stone age lolol)...i thought this was an immature attitude and was rather surprised by this sort of thing from hq...but i have to say his statement has turned out to be quite true....while i agreed with beazt that there are issues with spawn camps and other stuff in e+, i think hq was the guy who took the initiative and made a config that atleast partially attempts to solve this problem...maybe he did it just to make fun of us and prove to us our arguments are pointless but if u care to read the entire thread he was the person who made the config, put it on a server, gave the ip and pass and asked us to go try it and see if its any better...

beazt and assasin, u should stop arguing about words and try to do something about the situation....

btw mow...im not sure about other guys but i thought about this topic a lot and my posts reflect my thinking...i like to believe they are indeed well thought out but perhaps not...neways to me this topic kinda indicates that we need to perhaps make configs in which things like health, armour and powerups are much more important and map control becomes an active objective in cws...what this would do is to a large extent prevent camping of any sort because u need to move around the map to pick up items...don know how to prevent spawn-spam kills tho..i guess flexi's idea on the other thread is a pretty good one...

i guess what i take away from this topic is that there is a tradeoff between being "excessive" and having good gameplay....i personally would like more aspects of gameplay, such as map control, to be incorporated into e+..this will have to come at the cost of some of the excessive nature of the mod but i think on the whole the mod would be much more fun if we do incorporate more gameplay....also i guess we have to consider that this can be done without actually changing the mod..its just a question of making a good config and asking server owners to consider it....those who wish not to have to bother with map control can still play on the current configs.

A propos solutions... What do you thing about preparing a set of modified maps with more spawnpoints, and including them in next e+ release? It would decrease spawnkilling significantly.

Sorry for my english, but i hope, so u understand me. I wrote, so camp is bad. But i wanted write something else. Like Beazt says, waiting on corner for a moment isnt camping, but i mean so is. But waiting near spawnpoints and randomly shooting over there or staying for a spawnpoints - this isnt really fair. Every player have a few moments of live... and he can play correct, bcs he is dead in a moment. And when all players camp near the spawnpoints, than opposite clan have any chance to fair play. And the perception of game is away. Opposite clan can be dying for a frag only.

Take a think. This is a some tactics?

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