Paradise is NOT a cheater

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rUnThEoN?! wrote:

seems noone is getting the complication of this1.
Since noone cleared/updated the Rankban, paradise is still officially banned.
That also includes that phnx might get a second yellow card? lolo

No one gets your complication....



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Skull can you give a decent translation about what was the meaning of "Status appeal"? because i don't remember.

From what i remember it was as any trail appeal? or another form for duration?

Talking as individual of this community not as an forum admin or anything and yes its a biased opinion:

Myself as a teammate with paradise in 2 clans and a national team never seen paradise as a cheater, hack user, he couldn't understand how to install his stuffs in that period. And i was right when it happen, it was a national team Germany vs Romania, the game started already for like 15 min, paradise joined to spec and suddenly was kicked by pb with a strange error, skull documented it as being a trace of a hack file. I don't wanna get back all the discussion but we had worse in here and got the 2nd chance.

If he is a nasty talking piece of whatever, thats smth else.
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Epsislow wrote:


Skull can you give a decent translation about what was the meaning of "Status appeal"? because i don't remember.

Meh, can't find the introduction post.
Anyways, its a appeal against the banned state.
Meaning the banned person can appeal to the System/Community with reasons about why he/she might be a good addition to the community, rank and sportsmanship again.
Depending on the appeal this can also lead to permanent, such as NL Killer - who just copy pasted a appeal out of the shawshank redemption.

Epsislow wrote:


Myself as a teammate with paradise in 2 clans and a national team never seen paradise as a cheater, hack user, he couldn't understand how to install his stuffs in that period.


Thank you Cpt. Obvious Happy The discussion is linked and we did not solve the case if Paradise cheated on persons (probably he never did), however:
"Ban for active cheat is permanent, duration can be changed in case of public apology and the provision of cheating. The unban decision is up for ranking moderators with taking into account community opinion."
As pointed out in the discussion in past, just to be fair we have to give everyone who gets kicked by pb for a hook/hack a permanent ban, no matter who he is and whats his legacy.

Epsislow wrote:


I don't wanna get back all the discussion but we had worse in here and got the 2nd chance.

Sure we had and actually have worse in here. But to show how fair we are, we have to be independent from our subjective opinion the moment we judge this stuff. Also we have to be as transparent as possible, eventhough we might fail at all of this sometimes because we are still humans.
Anyways, this was long ago - I am 100% sure Paradise did not cheat since the incident (and maybe not before either) due to his performance.

The thing is, the system wants every Clanleader to make sure they don't recruit cheaters, therefor we have the list of banned players.
Since this wasn't brought up before it means effectively ALL clanleaders who recruited him did not check the list, every rankmod who played him in a war did not check the list, every referee did not check the list. I did not remember him being on the list either.
THIS is actually a huge problem, as for paradise, if no Update post for that ban is found he just has to do a Status appeal, Rank mods judge it and most likely he is free to play. How big the incident changes Rank I can not forsee, he played quite a while without anyone recognising.

As for the system, we need 2 Upgrades - A: We need to be reminded who is on the list. (like extra Info in profile) and B: The status appeal solution did pay off, however it is System1.0 - it was introduced and never upgraded.
Optimizing the system means we need to catch and integrate every player around, even if he is cheater. This would imply a system like, Trial gaming phase or some stuff in that way. Public servers are integrating every player, even ex cheaters very quick. How quick and precise the system needs to be for rank is a completly different task. Also this is basically up to the rank mods.

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After reading I feel the need to apologize towards parawhipe for making fun and mocking his past situation.

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Yep, not related to Paradise, this is very very sad issue.

I agree with your suggestions but need to talk to a higher level, since i cannot implement such changes.
Even better would be if:
- The banned rank list would be a list of restrictions implemented in the site where rank mods have access to add/remove/change and publicly visible.
- Clan/team leadders cannot add ppl that are on that list.
- clans/teams to have a public history with which users were added/removed and on which date & time (easier for every1 to read)
- members in the banned rank list would show a banned status in their profile and in the members list of clans/teams where they are in.
- new clan members topic would become obsolete. ppl would not need to post there anymore. Could be transformed in a news section for public visibility on who joined who.
But i guess these would take much more to implement. But would be ideal to have i think.
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i think he need to go to like A.A meeting for quake 3
he cheat and cant stop and lie about it to himself

admit it freaky cheater

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rUnThEoN?! wrote:

Epsislow wrote:

Skull can you give a decent translation about what was the meaning of "Status appeal"? because i don't remember.

Meh, can't find the introduction post.
Anyways, its a appeal against the banned state.
Meaning the banned person can appeal to the System/Community with reasons about why he/she might be a good addition to the community, rank and sportsmanship again.
Depending on the appeal this can also lead to permanent, such as NL Killer - who just copy pasted a appeal out of the shawshank redemption.

Epsislow wrote:


Myself as a teammate with paradise in 2 clans and a national team never seen paradise as a cheater, hack user, he couldn't understand how to install his stuffs in that period.


Thank you Cpt. Obvious Happy The discussion is linked and we did not solve the case if Paradise cheated on persons (probably he never did), however:
"Ban for active cheat is permanent, duration can be changed in case of public apology and the provision of cheating. The unban decision is up for ranking moderators with taking into account community opinion."
As pointed out in the discussion in past, just to be fair we have to give everyone who gets kicked by pb for a hook/hack a permanent ban, no matter who he is and whats his legacy.

Epsislow wrote:


I don't wanna get back all the discussion but we had worse in here and got the 2nd chance.

Sure we had and actually have worse in here. But to show how fair we are, we have to be independent from our subjective opinion the moment we judge this stuff. Also we have to be as transparent as possible, eventhough we might fail at all of this sometimes because we are still humans.
Anyways, this was long ago - I am 100% sure Paradise did not cheat since the incident (and maybe not before either) due to his performance.

The thing is, the system wants every Clanleader to make sure they don't recruit cheaters, therefor we have the list of banned players.
Since this wasn't brought up before it means effectively ALL clanleaders who recruited him did not check the list, every rankmod who played him in a war did not check the list, every referee did not check the list. I did not remember him being on the list either.
THIS is actually a huge problem, as for paradise, if no Update post for that ban is found he just has to do a Status appeal, Rank mods judge it and most likely he is free to play. How big the incident changes Rank I can not forsee, he played quite a while without anyone recognising.

As for the system, we need 2 Upgrades - A: We need to be reminded who is on the list. (like extra Info in profile) and B: The status appeal solution did pay off, however it is System1.0 - it was introduced and never upgraded.
Optimizing the system means we need to catch and integrate every player around, even if he is cheater. This would imply a system like, Trial gaming phase or some stuff in that way. Public servers are integrating every player, even ex cheaters very quick. How quick and precise the system needs to be for rank is a completely different task. Also this is basically up to the rank mods.

I seriously wonder, what contribution you had to the community that earned you the right to wear a self-proclaimed crown on your head with KY Jelly in your right hand.

Like did you have any contribution or did your shit consist of the same fucking constitutional bills just like the one you just made here? Type type, talk talk. Order order and then sit with a bag of potato chips in your basement. I also love your attempt at trying to come across like a literate, eloquent wanker but you flunk in so many sentences it just makes me cringe reading your semi-amateur posts.

PS. Don't take it the hard way. However if you do, make sure you relax. You'll be able to take it in a lot easier.

But back on topic, I agree with Epsi. That's pretty much the implementation you'd need. Of course the question would be who'd want/be able to code that into the site. Perhaps I should ask Skull. Hey Skull could you code someth.... oh yeah sorry, forgot. You can't.



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I seriously wonder, what contribution you had to the community that earned you the right to wear a self-proclaimed crown on your head with KY Jelly in your right hand.

you have just been provokoted by a name!

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Imho if anyone is accused of using "ilegal" stuff, should be held innocent untill proven guilty. So demo or something to backup that would be fair:) Just saying.

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rUnThEoN?! wrote:

Less arrogance would be healthy

Please, tell me this is ironic coming from you !