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26. September 2006 - 11:59
My PC is very buggy and can't run Windows without crashing in one hour, so I decided to use Linux. I've installed Debian, I know how to use shell 'n' stuff but I can't find a way to install nVidia OpenGL drivers (with legacy support, I have only Geforce2). When I try to download and install NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7184-pkg1.run file everything goes ok but it can't find an appropriate kernel src on download.nvidia.com. If I put src in /usr/src it says /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/include/linux/version.h is unavailable and kernel must be configured. If I configure it, this file doesnt appear anywhere 
(But building it works!)
I've tried another way to install nVidia drivers, by downloading *.deb package, but I cant resolve two fu***** dependencies: libc6 (newer version confilcts with initrd-tools) and x11-common (conflicts with xfree86-common). 
And although I've read many manuals how to install nVidia drivers none of them helped...
If anyone knows how to solve this, PLEASE HELP I WANT TO PLAY
26. September 2006 - 19:02
#1
Linux/nVidia
LoL,choosing an alternative OS to bypass something what could be a serious hardware problem is not the solution ;] U need to detect and isolate the problem so that windows can work properly.Check temperatures,for overheating.Also maybe u could write what system u have.
26. September 2006 - 23:34
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Linux/nVidia
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Ratz thanks for paying attention here. I've solved everything out. (Installed module-assistant, then kernel headers via it and simple ran NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7184-pkg1.run). But I still can't play becoz on Linux I get very different sens and accel... and framerate lower on my shitty gf2 card.
Im not a linux user so unfortunately I cant help u in that area.But different sens and accel on linux could be normal imo.After all,those are 2 different oeprating systems.
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And hell yes its serious hardware bug! My motherboard is very cheap VIA/K7VMM so there are no doubts (I tried to change every other part of my PC except RAM and mainboard and it was more/less worse but still fucked). CPU - Athlon XP +1700 (1.46Mhz, 266Mhz FSB, 256MB, Geforce2 MX). There is no overheating (CPU@40-50 celcius) or other stuff just fucking buggy VIA. Dont buy VIA. Better buy expensive stuff, even with less hertzs or bytes.
And during windows install procedure everything runs fine? Maybe u should try with a different winxp cd.Also do u install the drivers in the right order? After a fresh windows install,u should always install first:
1.MBO drivers [I recommend via 4-in-1 4.43v]
2.GFX drivers [for gf4 mx u could try 43.45 version]
3.other drivers
It can also be RAM,u can check your memory with MEMTEST and see if thats the problem.On that link u have instructions as well as the download package.
VIA chipsets,especially older ones are sensitive to RAM modules.They work with some,but with some not.Depends from mbo to mbo.So theres a chance u have a good RAM but cause of incompatibility with mbo its creating problems for u.U can try borrowing a ram module from a friend,as long as its different manufacturer then yours.
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And When I first bought all my current hardware everything seemed to be OK, but with the time going on it started to do this mystic stuff (BTW when I install linux I have to load kernel with "noapic nolapic" options - what do they mean? And when installing FreeBSD I get UDMA CRC errors). And more one thing - when I put in Geforce2 GTS (really much faster card than MX) I can sometimes see random colored pixels on screen and ecounter 1-2s blackouts.
With time coolers get dusty,dry and can cause system lockups and freezing.When I asked u about temps,I didnt mean only processor,but also system temperature,hdd and gfx card temp.If u notice alot of dust,take the cooler off,clean it from dust,and on the bottom side of the fan u will see a little sticker or a little rubber circle.Use a screwdriver to get it off and put one drop of mechanic oil in it.UDMA crc errors could be hdd problems.Or IDE cable that went bad.As for your geforce 2 GTS I'm guessing the card is just bad,if u dont have such pixel problems and blackouts on your gf4mx.
27. September 2006 - 12:17
#4
Linux/nVidia
OMFG I tried to boot my PC 10 times it hanged every time and then I turned my HDD upside down and it all went OK. But it still sometimes hangs while working 
and no drivers will help becouse it was hanging even before BIOS HDD detection have started. And that GF2/GTS works on PIII/500 well. Its and mainboard problem, obviously becouse look:
1). Graphics cards dont work good.
2). HDD's dont work good (this is my second hdd on this pc, but same problems).
3). On summer I was living in other place without network and I had no GFX card problems (HDD remained) but sometimes I played Quake CPMA or Mr.Gauntlet bots.
4). The only cooler exists on (no more required, gf2mx came without cooler) is CPU, but temp is ok cold and cooler clean.
thnx lets buy new 
. PS. what do you think its better dual-AMD or dual-Intel? Intel has bigger frequencies but AMD claims that their procs are as fast as it would be i.e. +3000 Athlon (but less than 3ghz) = 3000 MHz Pentium.
27. September 2006 - 22:24
#5
Linux/nVidia
I hear dual core processors have problems with quake 3.If I'm mistaking,feel free to correct me.If u ask me,always AMD before Intel.
27. September 2006 - 22:51
#6
Linux/nVidia
Cool, AMD was always in my heart too (if I understood you correctly) I heard some bad issues with dualcores & quake3, but as far as I know quake3 has boolean r_smp var witch enables/disables symetric multiprocessoring so there should be no problems if any.
27. September 2006 - 23:31
#7
Linux/nVidia
wrote:If u ask me,always AMD before Intel.
So far i've also usually favored AMD, but since the release of the Core 2 Duo Intel has really gotten ahead of AMD in nearly all categories.
Here's a Test-thingy
28. September 2006 - 2:47
#8
Linux/nVidia
@DoZ: r_smp cvar cant help u afaik,cause it was written for multiple processors,not multiple cores arround 4 years ago ,]
also at that time ppl were complaining alot about slow performance with r_smp 1 set on their dual cpu systems. [up to 30% slower then when it was disabled,and yes,Im talking about 1.32 version]
@ane: Its a neverending battle,or u may call it infinite loop ;] Tommrow amd will throw out a faster cpu,in 3 days intel will again,and the fight never ends.
28. September 2006 - 6:45
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@DoZ: r_smp cvar cant help u afaik,cause it was written for multiple processors,not multiple cores arround 4 years ago ,]
also at that time ppl were complaining alot about slow performance with r_smp 1 set on their dual cpu systems. [up to 30% slower then when it was disabled,and yes,Im talking about 1.32 version]
Hmm but dual-core processors are meant to do SMP, so why should quake3 bother about it is two procs. or one dual? Its the job OS does. BTW I've googled and found some stuff like this: "For example, most current (2006) video games will run faster on a 3 GHz single-core processor than on a 2GHz dual-core, despite the dual-core theoretically having more processing power, because they are incapable of efficiently using more than one core at a time."
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@ane: Its a neverending battle,or u may call it infinite loop ;] Tommrow amd will throw out a faster cpu,in 3 days intel will again,and the fight never ends.
I totally agree with you here.
Anyways, I dont see point in buying single core CPU. Do you?
28. September 2006 - 12:26
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ratz: @ane: Its a neverending battle,or u may call it infinite loop ;] Tommrow amd will throw out a faster cpu,in 3 days intel will again,and the fight never ends.
Yeah, i agree, it kinda depends on when you want to buy your cpu 
For now i'd go with Intel, mainly due to the better cost-performance ratio..
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Ratz thanks for paying attention here. I've solved everything out. (Installed module-assistant, then kernel headers via it and simple ran NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7184-pkg1.run). But I still can't play becoz on Linux I get very different sens and accel... and framerate lower on my shitty gf2 card.
And hell yes its serious hardware bug! My motherboard is very cheap VIA/K7VMM so there are no doubts (I tried to change every other part of my PC except RAM and mainboard and it was more/less worse but still fucked). CPU - Athlon XP +1700 (1.46Mhz, 266Mhz FSB, 256MB, Geforce2 MX). There is no overheating (CPU@40-50 celcius) or other stuff just fucking buggy VIA. Dont buy VIA. Better buy expensive stuff, even with less hertzs or bytes.
Maybe someone knows how to solve this problem? When I install windows I have to make 2-5 attemps to boot them (it locks in different places, like before the blue scroller, during it, when entering password). Well, when it starts running (at last) I can work, but when I launch Quake it locks up at random time
. What is the most strange thing, I may play 4hrs without a crash and 1min with it. And When I first bought all my current hardware everything seemed to be OK, but with the time going on it started to do this mystic stuff (BTW when I install linux I have to load kernel with "noapic nolapic" options - what do they mean? And when installing FreeBSD I get UDMA CRC errors). And more one thing - when I put in Geforce2 GTS (really much faster card than MX) I can sometimes see random colored pixels on screen and ecounter 1-2s blackouts.
heh I will buy new PC as soon as I have money so it isnt that important
But I will really appreciate any ideas.