General Cheater Discussion (ctd from new clan members comments)

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Fala accuses a lot of ppl of cheating. Shitstorm with the usual suspects. No results.

I' like to continue this discussion here, because it's clearly spamming an unrelated topic. Also I'd like to see more on-topic and especially specific answers, so although I know this won't help, please keep the spam down. Bax and Milena (and ofc everyone else) pls don't reply unless you have sth to say or ask.

my first question is, fala, what kind of cheats are you talking about in your original accusation?

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Re: General Cheater Discussion (ctd from new clan members ...

Sending back the old golden coin to you Rix, you should post more often Happy


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rUnThEoN?! wrote:

a lot of discussion I missed there, lulz.

Now before you guys read my post, know that most of you misunderstand fala. He right now is victim of his we turned this community last years.

animalchik wrote:

as comes to the skull he have busted his own temmate and a leader of clan on cheating, then he have left the clan, it was not whole comunity like u joke shady but certain people with solid proves

I did? Seems my memory is really fucked up.
Anyways, since most of you guys ain't around long enough (not even shady), be known that I had my first cheater experience with 2 players, first was a 360 bot that made me clear what cheats are capable of and second was the bust of sfc alucard for gamehook, played with him for 3 months on public servers and he was really a nice guy besides being caught on evol tryout. It shown me how decent cheats can be (noone of you guys would ever accuse him of cheating, ofc in past he was way better then other people but for nowadays he would be just average).
Never seen him again, kinda made me sad.

(just had a phone call so gotta shorten rest of my post).

What fala is trying to say is that there are a lot of newcomers the last 2 years or people with skillboost who NEVER got checked for their gameplay.

What I think about that is that everyone has to decide stuff for themself cuz there is noone taking over that job (except me for some peeps).

I say as long as there are good players around, cheaters are around.
as long as cheaters are around, other people cheat to keep up.
or with other words, even if every good player left, cheater fights cheater.

Fala knows that to keep a community alive you need to create trust by splitting it in good and bad(cheaters). atm we have both mixed, why so?

Newer players got checked but due to high skill of people in past we introduced a maximum democracy/innocent till guilty system which allows a lot of people to just play.

I for example checked out people like mzi, hrdlvly and other good new players.
This includes darky and rozyk - YES, I did check them. Result -> no obvious cheat detectable, eventhough they had odd skillboost and stuff. In the end I figured if they really cheat they are either to bad to use it properly, or they don't use it properly on purpose. Either case I can not detect it then. Nor do they play impossible better then me or fala. I have the humility to accept that I can not check all people, but sametime I will not approve them for being 100% clean.

Fala trys to enforce a decision or discussion - RM was very quiet in past about that stuff and people nowadays still trust in other people to make the decision for them. THIS DOES NOT WORK.

Atm I fully trust thor to keep era cheat free as good as possible within his experience. Sametime I know bleeding, gen and xapi are clean players. Or with other words, atm I do only know what I need to know.
btw, just as sidenote, I never cheated and will never cheat. Jokes about such stuff are NEVER funny and If I own a banhammer people making those jokes would be banned due to extra confusion they cause (which actually brought me here cuz a confused person told me to check dit out).

glhf

just copy pasted, so ppl can continue here and not in that topic :)As for my side I can say that always when new ppl come to old community and start to play good, ppl start to think bad stuff about them, thats why its good to have a anti cheat team to investigate such stuffs, sad is that at the moment e+ dont have active anti cheat team, and those who understand about it, dont have the time and will to spend it here.
P.S. As a side note, fala was talking about your old ng clan skull.


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Re: General Cheater Discussion (ctd from new clan members ...

Many people here are wallhacking (it seems to be a part of this community) but other players :
- Are just too lazy to record demos.
- Already know the player is wallhacking but don't want to report himfor some reason.
- Are using themselves a wallhack but less often.
- Just don't care because they have more important things to worry than this game.
- Don't report people they suspect for wallhacking because they don't want to take part to a neverending discussion with some famous players suspected of cheating for wallhacking and with the half of the community saying as an answer : "No, he's cool (so he doesn't cheat)" [...] "He's and old player (so he doesn't cheat)" [...] "I know him (so he doesn't cheat)".

(By the way, the weapon scripting seems to be forbidden only on this forum)

Accumulate evidences about a suspected player of using a wallhack is very long and not always successful.
At least if we could scan the computer or the RAM address used to allow a wallhack it would be easier, but it will never be like this.

"Skill is when luck becomes a habit".

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Ever since all the insta players poured into this community there's been a massive increase in cheaters and cheat accusations, what a coincidence. I'm starting to believe the e5 purists had it right all along. Look at this fucking place.

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Re: General Cheater Discussion (ctd from new clan members ...

"e5 purists"? But e5 isn't the random spam gameplay?

"Skill is when luck becomes a habit".

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madbringer wrote:

Ever since all the insta players poured into this community there's been a massive increase in cheaters and cheat accusations, what a coincidence. I'm starting to believe the e5 purists had it right all along. Look at this fucking place.

ask a question to ERA sever administration how much the drops amount increased since they have come here, its a fact most of players from ng do cheat or cheated

and maybe think from where the sound hacks come into this mod, not enough? dunno if u have played on the fraggednation ng cup but i did and there was massive whine about players who did have played with "altered textures" in the cup because some smart guys have posted game results with their hacks thinking everybody do use that textures, there was so many accusations that the whole cup collapsed, gg

funny thing is when i have played some scrims on e+ 2v2 (me and nymph) those guys have accused me of wallhacking because they were losing so badly, and they have told they will not going to play witch cheaters, they throw the accusations that easy because whole ng have a serious problem with wallhackers

rix wrote:

my first question is, fala, what kind of cheats are you talking about in your original accusation?

did i answered on yours question?

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D3L1GH7 wrote:

"e5 purists"? But e5 isn't the random spam gameplay?

All of the excessive-related gameplay is random spam. That's how it's supposed to be.

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D3L1GH7 wrote:

Many people here are wallhacking (it seems to be a part of this community) but other players :
- Are just too lazy to record demos.
- Already know the player is wallhacking but don't want to report himfor some reason.
- Are using themselves a wallhack but less often.
- Just don't care because they have more important things to worry than this game.
- Don't report people they suspect for wallhacking because they don't want to take part to a neverending discussion with some famous players suspected of cheating for wallhacking and with the half of the community saying as an answer : "No, he's cool (so he doesn't cheat)" [...] "He's and old player (so he doesn't cheat)" [...] "I know him (so he doesn't cheat)".

(By the way, the weapon scripting seems to be forbidden only on this forum)

Accumulate evidences about a suspected player of using a wallhack is very long and not always successful.
At least if we could scan the computer or the RAM address used to allow a wallhack it would be easier, but it will never be like this.

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Re: General Cheater Discussion (ctd from new clan members ...

if the answer is "wallhacks, soundhacks, altered textures", yes.

i remember even two years ago i couldn't believe that 'good' players cheat. For me cheaters always were the stupid kids joining public servers with aimbot/wallhack. seriously i still can't imagine how winning a cw with any kind of cheat on will give the player a sense of accomplishment. i for myself wouldn't feel like i won on my own.

that being said, nowadays i understand there are some cheats like soundhacks and textures that some ppl don't really see as cheats because 'everyone does it' or mb 'it does so little'.
and tbh while i do see them as cheats i can actually live with them. if e+ truly is infested by this kind of thing i can assume it already was when i played some wars against 'unfair playing teams' and i rarely felt disadvantaged. also i guess to use soundhacks and the likes properly you must be skilled anyways, noobs with hacks remain noobs.
this combined with the fact that most effort in such a small community, in which i would trust at least 50-70% of the ppl anyways (at least on plus side), is usually wasted energy, makes me just not think about that.

also i still don't 'believe' or at least i'm not convinced at all that so many players here cheat, esp as i experienced ERA players and 3m players differently. But thats as much an assumption as saying they all cheat, so it has no weight without proof.

finally becoming a good player in 3 months might really be too fast, but i think a year or two is easily enough to be considered skilled in e+. and within these let's say two years it's not uncommon that players have a skill boost that may overshadow the fact he/she has been training a little longer.
i remember the same with bleeding for example, when he joined soul he just "really" started playing e+ and while he was in soul he made his biggest improvements in quite a short period (was really nice to watch^^).
Apollojr always played with a rly shitty sens at least it didn't work well for him. someone came and changed it for him, now he can be considered a pretty skilled player (was also a period of maximum 6 months).
i also remember i had the same kind of skill boost a hundred years ago.

well that's it from my side