@Casa - i think you are over-reacting BIG TIME, man. Pan, however not nice it is, called Rena an idiot, not a pig-f*****g dirty son of a bitch etc (vide Xeno). And i agree with Kickz, does each and every one of us has to host servers, lead clans, organize tournaments etc to be allowed to be here? If i remember correctly, all the people that make things happen here do so for all the rest that is here for fun. I mean, that's the point of E+? To have fun? ... isn't it?

Bah, as usual, one who is not involved says the wisest words (i'm speaking about Mow), this discussion is not doing anything but spoil the good atmosphere. I hope no-one is offended by my comments, btw.

Are u his dad to warm him? ehm but pan and kickz are adults and they dont need tips ihmo.
Second about work for community. No all has time for communitywork. Do U heard about play only for relax?
Always when pan dont agree with other u wrote he flame blee

Ppl who had "only real men write in Pink" was alias. I think sens and subject pan's was other than talking about colors topic etc.

Pandora never does anything for this community?

That's just plain wrong. It's just that this community for some people is not *just* posting on forums like many others. I said it before and I'll say it again, contributions to this community can *NOT* be measured by the number on your postcount.

Not talking specifically about Pandora:
Doing something for this community can be, for example, starting a clan for "less skilled people" so that they can enjoy the clan community, joining a smaller clan to help it live even though you have been approached by bigger "better" clans, lending servers to new clans, hosting servers, creating pb cfg's and so on and so forth. In fact most of these things are more important for this community than posting on forums.

ABOUT Pandora, I known him pretty much since we both started e+ back in -03. He, like me, will state our opinions, even if they are not "politically correct" and I guess none of us feel the need to write complicated posts twisting words to make a point. I am not gonna debate on wether Pandora thinks Rena is an idiot or not, BUT, I am sure if that is what Pan wanted to say he would have just said it straight out.. I saw his wordtwisting as a clever response with a glimpse in the eye to another "glimpse in the eye" post.

P.S. yeah, I meant moderator, not admin, sorry.

yeah me to

in not able to read all post no more ']

The more i think about it, the more i'm convinced that you and Mow are right. I hereby retract both my previous accusations towards Pan, and my involvement in this topic.