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defrag was crated to train movenent skills, how u will impreve if u will leve the hard work for pc ?

Yes, I leave the hard work for the pc at max height rocketjumps (which btw very many pro players do too, because they hate to repeat a map too often just to get a flawless run), but if u think that the rocket jump equals the hard work in defrag, then u should really try it!!! And I can tell you, I do everything else without script and I succeed. I've been playing defrag for about a year now and on some maps I am even in the top10 times. Just so that u get, I am no total noob anymore. (But I still prefer to call myself defrag-noob, because compared to the real phreaks I am not more than that^^)

So Wonko, you play defrag too? What's ur nick there? I never saw a Wonko online. Anyway, I don't care if u tell me that it's cheating to use that script. I thought so too in the beginning, but with the time I found that really many ppl in defrag use it and so I added it too. There are so damn many scripts in defrag that could be declared as cheating, but they are not, because they are integrated in defrag, so plz do me a favor and just buzz off! Hehe, j/k. At first I was really pissed by ur posts, but now I realised that I thought like u too once in a time. So i guess when u grow a bit older u will stop flaming ppl who use a simple rockettime script....

lol stifu lolol....well first off i dont defrag online...considering i only started playing quake on the net since about six months ago...i used to play mostly on my pc or on the lan..theres really no need to play defrag online unless ur into team tricks which i haven't gotten to yet....as for how long ive defragged...how about 2 years? is that experienced enough? i suggest u NEVER EVER tell me that ill understand u when i grow up (btw im 23)....

about these supposed "pros" who dont want to repeat a map again and again..the whole point of defrag is to get as close to flawlessness as possible...its a perfectionist mod in which using a script to execute something is simply unacceptable....i dont care just how many players out there use it, it's still unacceptable...the idea is the same as using aimbots...ur just getting a "little" help from the computer in aiming...

neways i wasn't flaming you..i was just telling you what i think...flaming would've been me calling you a noob or worse...i didn't do any of that so pls dont think im flaming...i was politely pointing out what i thought...

btw u should try asking one of the shaolin production members about what they think on rj scripts...or perhaps read any quake resource websites...most of them which list rj scripts come with the express warning that rj scripts are considered lame and most pro players dont use it anyway...

if rj scripts are allowed in defrag, would you also use scripts to perhaps decide optimal angles for plasma climbs? or maybe scripts to yaw the mouse during strafing?

neways arguments aside if uve done a map well perhaps u could post demos? maybe in another topic cos posting them here would be offtopic...i started defragging again recently and would be interested in seeing how other people do...havent compared myself to the top times in a long while..

edit: also i haven't found a single defrag map which i couldn't complete because i couldn't make an rj...would be nice to know just which map u found that u couldn't complete because u weren't getting "optimal" rj

edit2: (gah sorry i keep forgetting things) i have to say stifu that ur really missing a lot of the fun in defrag if u don't do maps again and again...to me the satisfaction from defrag, apart from the whole fuzziness factor of learning new and cool movement stuff, is when i try again and again and again a gazillion times to get the map just perfect...i tried the map 4and#2 probably about a hundred times before i finally got a time within half a second of moomin...i was beside myself with ecstasy for a whole freaking day...

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if RJscript is lame then multijump is cheat. LOL

Multijump is not cheat but kind of lame.

multijumps arent lame or kind of cheat.
multijumps are completly different to rocketjump and rjs.
they dont have to reload, ud ont have to shoot etc for them.
they are a new point of movement cuz u can combinate them with rocket launcher.
in osp cpma etc without multijumps u have to do all moving work with strafe and rocketjump.
sure thats skilled but also it takes a bit of speed.
and we need speed

You can move as fast as you want with weapon slides, and i know mj are kind of useful in gtypes like freeze, but no point on using mj for ctf it lowers the skill level needed to play.