Pureskill (discussion)

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Ok if you seem that intent of expressing you point of view about pureskill. I will let you have it (here). However, I would rather this be split off Into a topic that focuses on the general use of pureskill. The discussion on pureskill here has already become long and extensive enough to warrant its own topic without disrupting other lines of discussion.

rUnThEoN?! wrote:

METEORKID wrote:
I ask that you please keep this
topic on topic. This thread is for cup infomation and sign-ins.

Any new unrelated posts I will delete.

Thankyou

we are discussing cup rules, thank you.
I have been asked to post my few cents here so...

About what has
been killing E+ on the long term is that Quake3 isn't supported anymore
by the devs since the server vulnerability code patch.
Neither is anticheat supported, otherwise this game could have kept on forever.

About the Anticheat situation:

PB:
Outdated, yet it is the only clientside anticheat with signed program files.
Hard to set up, not recommendet.

PS:
New, but from a technical point of view it screams for problems.
Imo
there are a lot of Problems with GPL, the program is same illegal as a
hack running. Running an anticheat in Userspace makes no sense
whatsoever. The reason cheaters get caught is because most hacks for Q3
run in userspace too. This is different for counter strike hacks that
basically run in driver space because of the anti cheats there.
Since
its basically an untrusted program running it is the same as if u would
run any .exe file from a spammail which are 100% viruses.

It is easy to set up though (because its flawed by design) and doesnt cause any lags.

to sum it up, imagine having an antivirus program run in the userspace, it just doesn't work.

And its especially dangerous since Spectre and Meltdown, seriusly.

anyways, now to some odd statements:

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And
we can use protections xp_anticheatlevel and xp_antiwallhacklevel in 0
(off), which greatly improves the quality of the connection.

You can't turn the e+ anticheat off and it doesn't lag the connection.
However I agree with that xp_antiwallhacklevel has to be zero.

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Also punkbuster imo is pretty useless, causes more problems than it resolves

Thats true, but there is no legal alternative.

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1)
How to setup it, better to put some guide and maybe full download of
quake 3 with mod and programm.2) Will it affect other programms like
steam? 3) Won't VAC take it as a cheat and ban me for example in
CS?

1) copy paste
2) no
3) no


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Re: Pureskill (discussion)

helo skull, i'd be interested in reading ur statement/opinion/review about this PS anticheat, some thoughts about it etc, leaving apart the legal aspect of it and talkin about the practical appliance efficiency related to its use on q3. ever tested it? does it rly works? can some cheats still go thru? can pure still be bypassed? im very curious about ur "speech" about this since in ur post its totally missing this PS part, thank u. (goddamn i sound like those call center "operators" with balas in the face n huge forehead lol).

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rUnThEoN?! wrote:

to sum it up, imagine having an antivirus program run in the userspace, it just doesn't work.

rUnThEoN?! wrote:

there are a lot of Problems with GPL

Skulls response shows exactly why PS or any other Tech3 amongst some other engines related AC can't be open source, doing so would make it GPL compliant but would let novice / mid range few bypass it.

I have never seen PS source Only know a few things explained from the creator, He is active and if anything gets passed he can block it to some extend, simple externally through .dll update. ( this has already been done a few times on reported cheats )

PS is not 100% , nothing is. A good hacker can bypass anything to some extent, but if spotted PS would show how the bypass is happening and would only require another .dll update. Again Duch is active and willing to keep it secured.

DR*DIABLO wrote:

helo skull, i'd be interested in reading ur statement/opinion/review about this PS anticheat, some thoughts about it etc, leaving apart the legal aspect of it and talkin about the practical appliance efficiency related to its use on q3. ever tested it? does it rly works? can some cheats still go thru? can pure still be bypassed? im very curious about ur "speech" about this since in ur post its totally missing this PS part, thank u. (goddamn i sound like those call center "operators" with balas in the face n huge forehead lol).

D , no PS can't block unpure glitch's, But if you find some so called cheats that might seem pk3 related let me know because ones we found believed to be are blocked by ps.
Being said PS, can block any change to a pk3 we just need to advice the creator what is needed.

Duch works for an antivirus company and improves PS when ever he has spare time , he is not from e+ he is from noghost/osp.

The big Question is, would PS hurt E+
IMO no aslong as its not showcased as an E+ feature it wouldn't, is simply a personal use indirect security tool. A cheat to catch cheaters, Active and willing to improve.

I think all Freon players and Possibly AW freeze players can share the change it brings, we all feel at ease knowing that were playing amongst good friends.

Does it solve E+ cheat problem ? I think it does 99% 1% for the few skilled who can keep up with .dll updates.

Why am I so fine with it? At first I was completely against it finding out its security issues. If you read the forums you know this, why I changed my mind? I paid a few knowledge hackers who do this kind of work for a living and all gave me the green light and shared some tips that further showed me its potential for any tech3 mod/core game willing to Use it.


Duch made a Pureskill Discord channel for anyone with questions, suggestions / ideas to improve PS. If there is no one else willing to provide a proven solution to Cheats for q3, I think instead of questioning we should focus on research and ones who feel can provide more info to strengthen PS do so.

Being against GPL , or being a unsecured .exe because its made by an unknown person it's no excuse to avoid a working solution especially by an ex/accused cheat player.

This is in favor to everyone, Ex cheaters included, imagine a game that is cheat proof.
PS is a start and all that we have that is working right now.

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Hey,
some info from me:
It runs in userspace because it is enough to stop 99.9% of "hackers" which their only ability is to download already made hack from InternetIn my opinion it is a plus that it doesn't need admin privileges, and runs in ring3.

Can someone name at least 1 hack for Q3 which runs in kernelmode? Hacking kernel was fun few OS'es ago. Now Microsoft makes it really hard to do such things (Do your research). I know that there are uber1337 kernel hacks for CounterStrike but it is not our game, and they are paid hacks for professional competetive players, which sooner or later get bused.

I also believe people with required knowledge to hack PS are not interested in such old game, just look on cheat programming forums - noone makes new cheats for q3. People who have made these old hacks are probably in their early/mid 30 and have better things to do.

Spectre and meltdown are already patched. Play inside a VM if you are scared.

http:/pureskill.tk/donate - you can support my anticheat project here if you want Happy

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all statements are correct so far and its not about the technical stuff, but its the decision.

you either decide on running a 'insecure' Userspace-Programm hoping to have no cheaters.

or you decide on running a 'outdated' trusted 'above' Userspace-Programm hoping to have no cheaters.

About the fact that it runs on userspace - I would have done a proof of concept except for the problem I got no coder at hand. As soon as we have a coder as Player we basically can skip the userspace concept. Duch knows this best himself.

Less arrogance would be healthy

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Re: Pureskill (discussion)

need create a video how to install PS
P.S.: pureskill it's not only freon it's anticheat! CS have this anticheat? Quake and ConterStrike its the same motor..

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