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19. September 2015 - 23:12

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Re: Beer admin,

so we changed the subjects meanwhile - didnt know you are banned on beer

19. September 2015 - 23:13

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You and GMZ should have a type-off, Diablo, you type so much to get such a short point across

19. September 2015 - 23:19

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so we changed the subjects meanwhile - didnt know you are banned on beer

ehh? wtf, wait mby my last posts was in aztec language and i didn't notice? lol what u meant with this now? the subject is the same...wtf u saying..

19. September 2015 - 23:21

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You and GMZ should have a type-off, Diablo, you type so much to get such a short point across

i know this dude, but as u can see, for such a little point, my giants and cristalline clear posts dind't help not even 1% to let understand the point of it, im still getting weird pointless answers like till now i wrote nothing...

20. September 2015 - 0:11

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Re: Beer admin,

The goal for this thread was to explain why Paradise got the ban and what he should change to avoid further actions and also to make other players understand the reasons behind. I'm glad that goal was fulfilled.

As to the offtopic freedom speech: exactly because the server is public and anyone is welcomed, one shall behave like in most public places and not disturb others too much. Hence the common sense rules.

Mute is and never was the preferred way to deal with this. If it was, there would no rule on Beer to begin with. The preferred way to deal with constant rule breakers is not to ignore and thus silently accept them, but get rid of them and that what is going to happen, as a last resort, if all other kind requests fail.

95+% of the players get it before, or on the first warnings. If the usual 5% troublemakers do not (want to) get it, they have to deal with the possible consequences.

20. September 2015 - 2:25

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seems this guy's mind is even more troubled than i thought, after all the posts and comments of ppl, hes talkin like nobody wrote anything, he didn't get not even 1% of what has been saying. he still insists talkin about ppl "disturbing" other ppl in public, he doesn't get that disturbing a person means "directly"...the way he talks is like it's forbidden in public square plaza that for example u are slapping ur friend's head with a baloon and hes spitting u, coz ppl around feels disturbed by that. anyway it's pointless to keep talking....is these so called "heroes of the order" would get it, we wouldn't be wasting our time on such topic...at least kersy finaly understood the point and pretended to change subject but this dude instead....goes down with the ship till the end...

20. September 2015 - 2:49

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Bullshit imo lol. If you don't wanna read his trashtalk then just mute him, I guess Paga banned you just to "avenge" himself for your personal insults towards him.

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Looks like someone is on a power trip.
"Let me tell this person to stop it"

Person refuses to adhere to the command

"I shall be a professional admin and give him a warning to stop"

Person still doesn't give a fuck

"OMG RESPECT MY AUTHORITAAAAAH" *Rage* (Of course admin professional style level 9000)

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Para wanted public involved in his problem, so it is in forum, so everybody can make an opinion I would say that 'pseudo' admins are not performing well allways, by my experience sometimes they used to overact

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Well I don't think, that ban for trash talk is the right solution.. Also if other players are disgust by his talks, they can easily /mute him , so I don't think anyone would leave server cuz of paras dirty words . And other thing, there are few and few players and if you keep banning players for such stupidity like this, there will be nobody to play with...

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Well i definitly agree on the fact (sorry mate) that Para is really annoying and boring with this kind of jokes... But useless to make a such drama...When i play on the server and he's here and starting to be really boring with his crappy jokes i do just mute him...

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I like the logic where you get to talk shit, as much as you want to, as there is the /mute command. Why bother with any rules of conduct? #noconsequences

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BTW in reference to paras original statement regarding the issue , I see no reason to get kicked over trash talk , you don't like what your reading , /mute id or ignore it , the game is 99% real fps playtime 1% chat...So yes ban for chatting is a bit too much

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i think the severity of trashtalking and cheating is uncomparable. well no it is comparable, it's just that those two things are on very opposite ends on the "severity" scale. talking about cheating is totally fine imo and not even on that scale. but then again i think pissing on the street should be fine as well as long as you are cautious about where to piss and who can see you
i don't wanna criticize your decision too hard though, just think the penalty was a little harsh, thats about it. i'm a ref as well (but i gotta admit i never even used the ref function on beer^^) and i wouldn't even have considered a warning. guess its just a matter of interpretation.

20. September 2015 - 3:10

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Re: Beer admin,

Diablo, it seems to me that you try to defend something that never actually happened.

"disturbing a person means "directly""

FYI:

1. Paradise usually aims his trash talk not just at his buddies, but others too, even if that person does not like it.

2. There has been several complaints about Paradise. People get disturbed by his behavior and you cannot tell others what should disturb them and what not. That is not your call.

3. This has been going on for a while.

There is no need to defend casual, sometimes dirty talk among mates, since that is not what happened. As Kersy pointed out to you, you are not banned on Beer either, so it is really pointless to start a generic panic with "oh my, if I say a bad word to a buddy, I will be banned". That is not what happened here.

20. September 2015 - 3:39

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1. Paradise usually aims his trash talk not just at his buddies, but others too, even if that person does not like it.

after 36 years and 935,3 comments, comes out his jokes was aimed at other ppls...so.. kersy, para, u and other ppl didn't say a word bout that on previous comments, now comes out he offends other ppl around in server, u giving me the piss? every comment i readed on this topics was saying that some pure souls was being hurted "indirectly" from his jokes, u said, kersy said etc, now comes he offends other ppl...

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2. There has been several complaints about Paradise. People get disturbed by his behavior and you cannot tell others what should disturb them and what not. That is not your call.

answer to this has already been posted, reposted, extra posted, super posted etc etc previously, re-read the whole topic commends, something missed ur sight while reading i guess, but i say : not even other ppl has rights to decide what they wanna read and what not, otherwise becomes a closed privè club for "well mannered snob culture-lover geeks" when instead is a damn quake 3 public server where ppl go there to relax while shooting a bit and writing couple of bollocks. it "you" "player" (whoever) get red vagina from shame of what a person says, use mute on that dirty pig that doesn't deserve to live coz disturbs ur pure soul and u can keep playing in all the peace u want, otherwise for what the fuck exists that mute?

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I am talking about him. Admin or not, we were both doing the same thing for the X-th time; only one has "justice" exacted on him.

what about this? to me sounds like he was joking with a friend, friend of urs as i see, and only he got banned, and plus he was not offending any other unwilling pure soul...i will say it again...kersy's comments, ur comments, previous comments, everywhere i readed, NOBODY stated para offended directly other ppl, but he was joking with someone and that someone was joking back, plus only he got ban coz ass burn from admin side...

tell u what...he talkin shit on server, couple of snob retards similar to elitez crew, gets "indirectly" butt-hurt n "prolly" complain to admins, admins play to be police, kersy get stfu, pagadingy gets stfu, police is famous for butt hurt reactions when not respected, para banned. it's getting rly pointless to keep posting and posting over again, look, u fucked it up guys, get it and learn. to para, same goes to u dude, in future avoid to be 100% 24/7 always explain on servers how u fucked bax's mom and he watching, we all did it, stop being overspamming with bullshits and try to click more left mouse buttong more than chat key and the whole world gonna be happy, i also say bollocks when im on rus rail, or i spam with my woof, but it's matter of minutes till my cock gets hard n i call bax's mom on skype. let's all be good

20. September 2015 - 4:21

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Re: Beer admin,

I forgot to add:

4. His abusive talk covers a wide range of domains, from sexual harresment, pedohilia and racism. Naturally if this is combined with the other points, that makes it even worse.

Diablo, I think you simply took his bait, even though you probably should have known better. If I look at his past forum posts, to me a clear pattern arises: he feels to have the right to abuse anyone he wants to, but as soon as he is the one that gets hurt (getting kicked out of groups or servers due to his bad behavior, getting caught on suspected cheating, etc), he turns himself into a little innocent angel and pretends he is the victim suppressed by the powerful ones. There is a huge contrast between the behavior he produces when he is abusing others and when he gets hurt. He also likes to gather people around, thanking them all the support, when he needs one.

This may be just a neat trick or simply he is just acting as an NWA wannabe, but otherwise a normal guy - who knows. However he did that trick multiple times in the past, just like in this case.

I have my personal opinion about that kind of behavior, but as a ref, I want to give the benefit of a doubt to anyone first, even if past patterns suggest otherwise. Time will tell anyway if that choice was correct or not.