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The basic idea of COMMUNism, unless I'm very mistaken is to put everything in COMMON, that is a tax rate of 100%.

Any way, we're straying from the subject here.

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@ MIRCWAR: Seems kind of funny that a guy who has "2 kool 4 school" in his sig, is giving history lessons on a game forum Winking

@ TRANCE: About Romania’s lost territories after WWII... Well put yourself in Russia’s shoes. What would you do with a country that not only was a base for enemy operations, for almost entire length of the war, but was also a key supplier of resources, such as oil and grain? Not only that, it also provided nearly 300,000 troops to fight against you. Well guess what that country was? Yes man, it was Romania.

And don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to justify what happened with you guys. Hell, I hate Stalin as much as I hate Hitler. It’s just in your post man, you made it out like Romania was a totally innocent victim and Russia was this big villain that takes your land and gold. Oh, and about the gold... here’s an interesting story: Russian officials found a document that said, they were only selling Alaska to the U.S. for 100 or 200 years.. or so, and when the time expired the U.S. government should give it back. As you can imagine, the American government dismissed these claims as being totally bogus, and never gave Alaska back. So.. U.S. STOLE Alaska from Russia.??

Well man same thing with your gold... Countries have been screwing each other over resources, land, and money for as long as there were countries. You may call it STEALING but people in the government have another term for it, POLITICS. Its only matter of power, any strong country that gets the chance to screw over any smaller, less powerful country will almost certainly do it. Current example would be U.S. in Iraq. It always was like that, and it will always be like that. And EVERY country has its massacres, and back-stabs, and believe me, most countries won't admit to less than half of them.

As for me, I was born a proud Russian and I will die a proud Russian, no matter what. Yes I acknowledge that there were some ugly periods in our country’s history and I'm NOT proud of that. If that article about Putin glorifying Stalin is true, than it’s very sad. My opinion that the Stalinist era was one of the darkest (if not the darkest) periods in Russian history. Yes, most of the brightest minds of the century were executed or sent to rot in prisons “thanks” to Stalin. Things like Gulags and Concentration Camps should not be forgotten, but sadly, it seems for most people it’s easier to forget, than to remember.

(p.s. Sorry if some of this is off topic :roll: )

alltimes luck!

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you are forgetting something man. Romania changed alliance very soon after the start of war and fought alongside Russia and his allies. So you cannot use that as an excuse. Yes our politicians may have done a mistake by not joining since day 1 the Allies but they soon realized the mistake and corrected it. And in no way this is an excuse for taking territory from another country, i find this action under no circumstance excusable.

I know little about the Alaska sale, but you cannot compare the sale of a territory with the abusive taking of another country's gold reserves...I'm sure if it wasn't for Stalin and the communist regime and say Russia would have had a democratic way this would never have happened (or then again it still might have).

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russki wrote:

@ MIRCWAR: Seems kind of funny that a guy who has "2 kool 4 school" in his sig, is giving history lessons on a game forum Winking

I can literary count the hours I've spent studying on two hands, as sad that is aside I somehow managed school with decent grades. I guess natural talent only get you so far. (My unprepared speeches was something to behold, I'll tell you Big grin)

Don't look at my posts as history lessons or absolute facts, regard it more as interesting info to get people to start thinking and criticizing. In the end that's what it's all about. I'll take some time later on to post some more in this thread, there is still some stuff I would like to answer and bring up but unfortunately (?) I'm under the pressure of time at the moment.

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This is propably off-topic but one thing has bothered me this whole summer. My friend was working as a guide in a WWII bunker museum in Finland on this summer. There were hundreds of Russian turists visiting that site during the summer. One question which was repeatedly asked by Russians was: "Why did Finland attack Soviet Union in the WWII?" Shock

This made me wonder what do they teach in the schools of Russia about this subject. Those tourists were not young people but not too old either. I understand that old Russian people may have had false education in their youth but I suppose things should be different now. It's just weird. I hope its not the same case with the genocide of the Jews in the schools of Germany.

Btw the holocaust as a topic makes me always wonder what do Germans today think of it. I mean that many of their grandparents were part of it in someway - or at least they saw what happened or had some kind of idea what's going on. My both grandfathers will always be seen as warheroes but how do the today Germans see their grandfathers? This is what I've always wondered. It must still be very difficult subject to deal with.

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Allison, it's simple, in Soviet Union, there were no facts like them attacing any country, they just spreaded "brotherhood help". Like in Socialist Poland you couldn't teach at history lessons that USSR attacked poland on September 17, or to tell about Katyn (it's a place of Polish troops slaughtery, my Grandpa had huge problems when he told his workmates about this in 60's). So those ppl didn't have opportunity to learn those facts.

As someone maybe noticed we stepped from WW2 to communism, which can lead to fact that this was even worse and caused more victims than fashism(nasizm those are to different thing though).

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in history russian version, ussr never attack, they only help to other countrys like to lithuania (who in russian version, joined to ussr, cos russians help to it), in russian version of history, they never occupied other countrys... in russia is big history propaganda

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2!S*Wicked(pl) wrote:

As someone maybe noticed we stepped from WW2 to communism, which can lead to fact that this was even worse and caused more victims than fashism(nasizm those are to different thing though).

It wasn't communism killing the people. It was the rulers of the country. Don't blame the political alignment for what the idiots leading the country did.

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orphy with the wind wrote:

How much tax are you ready to pay, The Death?
Dunno if you work yet or what. But how much would you be ready to give the state 20%, 30% maybe 40?

If you earn a living as some of us do, those figures will make you cringe.

So would you gove the state everything you earn and own,?

No way in hell I or 90% of people would unless forced to do so.

Or am I all wrong?

I pay 30+% taxes, everyone in Sweden does. And no, these figures do not make me cringe even though I do earn a living. All that matters is how much you have left at the end of the month anyway...

And the basic idea of communism is IMO the perfect world. Everyone does what he does best to the better of the community. We all share the profits regardless of what part we do and we put the profits in bettering our society. After all, isnt it kinda crazy that a highschool teacher with a 5 year education after highschool earns half of what a computer geek with a 2 year posthighschool education does? And the teachers has one of the most important, and hardest, jobs a community has.

Unfortunatly it will never work. Human race is too greedy, and lazy, (myself included) by nature. If we know we wont get more by trying harder we wont try harder.

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all!son[eKitten] wrote:

This is propably off-topic but one thing has bothered me this whole summer. My friend was working as a guide in a WWII bunker museum in Finland on this summer. There were hundreds of Russian turists visiting that site during the summer. One question which was repeatedly asked by Russians was: "Why did Finland attack Soviet Union in the WWII?" Shock

This is where Germany and Russia as of today differ, hell even in some Swedish books you can still read that the winter war ended with the assault and capture of Viborg (!).

Viborg was in finnish hands until the peace was signed.

As for Finland attacking SU, I'm not sure if that myth is still alive in the east. If it is it's just sad. The prelude to the war started with Soviet demands on the 14th October, which Finland naturally refused. On the 26th November Molotov argued that Soviet troops had been fired upon at the border, Finland answered that this was not the case. On the other hand they had observed Soviet mortar exercises at the given time.

On the 28th the SU canceled the non-agression pact from 1932 without further notice, the next day new accusations were made from the Soviet side and all diplomatic relations cut. The Red Army recieved orders to "handle diplomacy" from then on.

It may interest some that Finnish artillery couldn't even reach the alleged site with shells from its position behind the border.
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