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Citizen of Libya started protesting, Gaddafi used army to stop it. UN/NATO took an action. Before this US bombed Libya because they were sponsoring attacks on US bases, I didn't wanted to go into details about any single one, but looks like I have to.

We all know who is staying behind protests in Libya, Syria, Egypt, Turkey, Ukraine... Also this country fabricates evidences to start agressions (proven). And also this country destroyed another airplane with civils onboard

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WTF? you did choose dates, I answered your post, with your dates, dont try to turn upside down, anyway it is expected and typical.

U choose only dates, U THINK u have find a proper explanation. But lifted dates where was obvious american/nato agression with explanation like "oh this guy is so bad" or "shit, this is not a country at all". Have nothing on Syria?

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As I said before, I rather live in country where uncomfortable truth is hidden than face death, and that how dictators regime looks like.

So, basically u confirmed that in a country u living in truth is not allowed or hidden, right? Wtf are u trying to discuss about things all u know is based on fake information.

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but I bet with out anyone there production of drugs would grow even higher.

Dude, read carefully.Once again: drugs production was way less before US/NATO agression, because talibans were destroying plantations. Now Nato/US destroying talibans to increase heroine production.

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1991 South Ossetia War1992 Transistria
1992 Abkhazia
1992 Bosnia
1994 Chechenya
1999 Chechenya
2004 Orange Revolution (there was no military action from Russia side, but support in election fraud)
2008 South Ossetia, again
1939, it wasn't aggression, it was invasion.

list is 2 short. Ok lets take a Russia and USSR as a whole. Just want to compare with this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations not that iam defending russia, just want to see who is the world agressor #1,2,3.. Later if u want we can check Chinas case.

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Builded factories and farms, eh? WTF? what the fuck are you believing in?

I live in a Baltic state so i know and i see. Many of them working till now. U want a trip with me to see it yrself? Btw yr link is broken.Overall after words "stay tuned" i expected some kind of real discussion, but now it seems like Iam attacking and u defending. Its hard to cover the truth with lie, isnt it? And some questions for u: 1. U are talking about dictators. Can u name me some and a reason why. 2. What democraty is in yr opinion. Thx

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Seriously, I have no idea, I just read about propaganda here, and I'm trying to explain how does it work, at beginning of this conflict I asked Russian friend about his feelings, and he told me "Putin is right to taking part of Ukraine, because it belongs to him, and you as Poland should agree with his proposal of taking your part". If there will be any war, hopefully Poland won't take part of it, because I'm sure which side "we" will choose, and my problem is: I don't know which side I'd like to choose because I trust no one. There is no country/union which can convince me to fight for them except Poland itself, and not Poland as government, not Poland as country, just Poland as we are: people, with same minds, hearts, blood, united under white and red flag, without orders and rules just to defend our freedom. What's the freedom nowadays? IMHO it ends where freedom of other person is disturbed and under thick cover of lies we can't find out what real and what's propaganda, lies, call it however you want, for some people it's conspiracy, and others will call them paranoid.

Yep, once again jolly good show Winking I was about to read whole topic, but after reading to this point where u explain propaganda, there is no point in continuing. If only there were more people like u and myself xd and less blinded like rico or mircwar. This topic should be closed with one conclusion which is actually a quote from song "primitive" by soulfly: Back to the primitive
Fuck all your politics
We got our life to live
The way we want to be

Back to the primitive
Fuck all your politics
Who feels it, knows it
And God will guide me

And quote from sepultura "attitude" (same lead singer btw)Live your life
Not the way they taught you
Do what you feel!


And "make piss not war" (i believe taken from South park)

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I sense a lack of infrastructure.

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Rico [E][S][T] wrote:

We all know who is staying behind protests in Libya, Syria, Egypt, Turkey, Ukraine... Also this country fabricates evidences to start agressions (proven). And also this country destroyed another airplane with civils onboard

Proven?
Which and when?
Conspiracy theory, be careful eyed triangle is behind you.

Rico [E][S][T] wrote:

U choose only dates, U THINK u have find a proper explanation. But lifted dates where was obvious american/nato agression with explanation like "oh this guy is so bad" or "shit, this is not a country at all". Have nothing on Syria?

I've answered to dates you provided, as I said, I didn't wanted to go into details of every-single-shit, I explained you Gaddafi case, do I have to explain Hussein and that other guy also? Or will you do it yourself? It's not hard, just read. DO NOT LISTEN, READ IT YOURSELF.

Rico [E][S][T] wrote:

So, basically u confirmed that in a country u living in truth is not allowed or hidden, right? Wtf are u trying to discuss about things all u know is based on fake information.

Yea, UK, GCHQ. Enough said.
In Poland I have government which licks Americans asses to make bussines with Russia unfurtenately only politicans gets benefits on that deals.

Rico [E][S][T] wrote:

Dude, read carefully.Once again: drugs production was way less before US/NATO agression, because talibans were destroying plantations. Now Nato/US destroying talibans to increase heroine production.

Before 1979 people in Afghanistan was growin mostly cannabis, then Russian army invaded Afghanistan to protect communistic regime, pro-communistic army and mujahedins started produce opium to finance war. In 1996 Talibans forbade to grow cannabis not red weed, in 2000 forbade to grow red weed as well. When Americans invaded Afghanistan in 2001 production of opium raised once again, it's not depended of Americans but of government, because in Columbia US in cooperartion with their government prevents pretty good produce of cocaine.

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list is 2 short. Ok lets take a Russia and USSR as a whole. Just want to compare with this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations not that iam defending russia, just want to see who is the world agressor #1,2,3.. Later if u want we can check Chinas case.

Same long as yours. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia

Rico [E][S][T] wrote:

I live in a Baltic state so i know and i see. Many of them working till now. U want a trip with me to see it yrself? Btw yr link is broken. Overall after words "stay tuned" i expected some kind of real discussion, but now it seems like Iam attacking and u defending. Its hard to cover the truth with lie, isnt it? And some questions for u: 1. U are talking about dictators. Can u name me some and a reason why. 2. What democraty is in yr opinion. Thx

Estonia has been annexed into USSR, it's not surprising, their started building something, because it was their country, right? Before Poland gave up, we fought so they crushed and razed our cities, then started to bulild something, same what Germans did. link http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-07-18-news-channel-uses-metal-gear-solid-5-screenshot-in-child-soldiers-report . Yea, you are attacking and I'm deffending but not myself, I deffend country I do not trust, just to let you see how blind you are in believing in:

0MS wrote:

Problem
is that almost all russians blame everything on America/EU. They will
rather live in russia with Crimea(legality of accession does not matter
for them) and consider America and EU to be their enemy and believe in "light future" than face the
truth that country stands on all fours and completely discredited
itself.

Check who said that. Looks like someone who have a KNOWLEDGE.I do not cover anything, I'm trying to be objective and by your attacks and my defense we can get conclusions, and it depends only of you if you are trying to find them or stay blind.

Answer for question number 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorbut instead of that, imo dictator is a sovereign who do not respect freedom of people and constantly breakes law because "he is the law" and he makes rules which suits him, tyranny.

Answer for question numer 2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracyagain, imo democracy is broken around the world because of corruption, otherwiese, country which is leaded by voice of the people, by votes where freedom of one person doesn't affect freedom of someone else would be perfect country, because we know what is the best for us, aren't we?

rUnThEoN?! wrote:

I sense a lack of infrastructure.

Why? Are we insulting each other? Is topic located on wrong forum? It is Off topic, we are discuss actual events, anything wrong about it? I sense lack of interesting things to do except trolling Kiss

And even I walk through the darkest valley of the shadow of death I will be not afraid because I am the worst motherfucker in this place.

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War is violence and violence has no nationality.

Words of wisdom.

Also my honest opinion.

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we grow old because we stop playing.
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GABBER wrote:

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@Terror. Blinded, brainwashed... Iam glad theres nothing to wash in yr head. Now take another portion of crack and try to post constructive post when u not get high.

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Proven?
Which and when?
Conspiracy theory, be careful eyed triangle is behind you.


Dude, dont make a fool of yourself. I meant in 1980" airplane with civils onboard from Iran was destroyed by americans. Oops. Actually i expected that.

Ok. u confirm that truth is hidden in Poland, i confirm its hidden in Estonia, Delight confirmed in France. anybody else?

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it's not depended of Americans but of government, because in Columbia US in cooperartion with their government prevents pretty good produce of cocaine.

Columbian cocaine comes to U.S, Afgan heroine comes to Russia.

kszksz wrote:

Same long as yours

Agressions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_the_Soviet_Union ,not the case where country is defending. Overall #1 comes to US/Nato, #2 maybe Russia, #3 to China? some arab countryes?

whats wrong with screenshot? Are they using it as a proof or for illustration? Go for any newspage and see smth like: "A guy was driven by a car" and there is a random car picture for illustration.

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Check who said that

Mb u should check that yourself first, otherwise u are making fool from yourself again. Actually we had 2 long Ukraine discussion in general russian thread. U can check and translate his posts from http://www.excessiveplus.net/forums/thread/general-russianthread?page=353 to http://www.excessiveplus.net/forums/thread/general-russianthread?page=365

Well, i expected u will name Putin as dictator. No? He is or not? Or u googled and didnt find anything on him?
Agree with u, democracy is broken. That is what i was talking about. But it leads us to another questions. Wanna continue?

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rUnThEoN?! wrote:
I sense a lack of infrastructure.

Why? Are we insulting each other? Is topic located on wrong forum? It is Off topic, we are discuss actual events, anything wrong about it? I sense lack of interesting things to do except trolling Kiss

That was ontopic.
What i ment was, we got no intelligence about the people living there who are NOT into seperatism.
Such as childs, simple familys and so on.
My point is, that from all the fighting and so on, we forgett who is really suffering from this kind of conflicts. If all sides would think thats important, they wouldnt be at war right now.

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V1979 wrote:

Rico [E][S][T] wrote:

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To make somebody believe in a lies one should mix it with the truth. When he talks about Kremlin's attitude to Donetsk and Lugansk regions' people I admit he's right. Though Putin talks well, I don't believe in everything he says. I see corruption in my country, I see lying politicans, oligarchs in power, not punished traitors (who ruled under Yeltsin). But such things are everywhere.
And I feel some false in this man's speech. Let's wait and we'll see how this deal ends.

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Rico [E][S][T] wrote:

@Terror. Blinded, brainwashed... Iam glad theres nothing to wash in yr head. Now take another portion of crack and try to post constructive pos.... Blablabla

Never had crack in my life and not planning to... Unless u have heard different on russian tv xd they know better and are honest, not like me, sorry I'm from west and I'm all what's wrong in this world. Also u should watch your temper, didn't insult u, just said u are blinded. Now go fuck yourself like nice dimwit you fucking piece of shit.
Xd sorry too much of the sopranos lately xddd