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Maybe Mossad shot down the plane. It's a perfect global diversion that will take the world's eyes from Gaza to Ukraine. The big boys are in the game, 300 innocent casualties, military conflict below the crush.. what can be more distracting than that? So now they can do what they want in Gaza and noone will take a serious notice, even if thousands of civilians die.

Also, maybe this is a well-organized action by the Zionists in Israel that will have global effects and strengthen their positions globally.

Well, we can come up with zillion theories of conspiracy, but sadly, we will never know what actually happened, only what the media and the big boys will sell to us.

"...War brings death... and wounds and pain to both sides... there's nothing harder to accept than the deaths of those you love... so you believe... they could never die... especially those who haven't known war... you try to find meaning in death... but... there's only pain... and hatred... that you don't know what to do with...dying like trash... neverending hatred... pain that never heals... that.. is war..." N.

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Now ask yourself a question: whats won / lost Russia from the downed plane? My answer: nothing is gained from this incident. Absolutely nothing. Now everyone in the world will think that the Russia is a aggressors.

So who can all be profitable? IMHO, probably this whole situation was favorable Ukrainian puppet government headed by the United States to enter NATO troops on the territory of Ukraine.

I think the whole truth we will never know.

P.S: Make love, not war! Happy

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The most likely scenario is that it was a mistake, as in misidentification of the target. That makes it no better, it's a fuck up on such a scale that is mind boggling. You make sure what you are targetting is not a civilian airliner and this is where Russia has a problem, they have supported the separatists and heightened tensions in the region.

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Johnin*ELITE'Z* wrote:

Maybe Mossad shot down the plane. It's a perfect global diversion that will take the world's eyes from Gaza to Ukraine. The big boys are in the game, 300 innocent casualties, military conflict below the crush.. what can be more distracting than that? So now they can do what they want in Gaza and noone will take a serious notice, even if thousands of civilians die.

Also, maybe this is a well-organized action by the Zionists in Israel that will have global effects and strengthen their positions globally.

Well, we can come up with zillion theories of conspiracy, but sadly, we will never know what actually happened, only what the media and the big boys will sell to us.

+1 You got it, diversion.



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All of this is propaganda, most of you are reading different books, magazines, press, watching different movies, clips and news, visiting different web pages, living in different countries leaded by different goverments with different relations to other countries. Doesn't matter how but they reached goal already, half of world support US/EU, another half supports Russia. How is it possible to know unknown? I believe facts. Main problem is I'm nihilist as well, but let's say this Malysia Airlanes plane has been shut. Ok. Done. This is fact. Did anyone took responsibility for it or all of this are just suspections? What if UE did it to lunch military conflict with Russia to prevent another global crisis? What of it happening only for rise economic? May Putin did it to make sure his electorate they voted right? And Russia is powerful country on international area? I don't know, I'm sure no one of us does. Don't try to lunch conflict between people, it's shitty governments problem which take care only of their money.

And even I walk through the darkest valley of the shadow of death I will be not afraid because I am the worst motherfucker in this place.

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CNN, foxnews, bbc are the biggest propoganda channels against Russia and others potentially anti american countryes. U can call RT propoganda channel, but this channel was created as an opposite listed above channels and if west is constantly lie, RT policy is to say true (or plz give me examples of rt lies and i give u examples of cnn, foxnews lie). For me nowadays war looks like True vs Lie where true is russia and lie is the west. Spokesperson for the United States Department Jen Psaki is always talking bullshit and ignores uncomfortable questions. Hard to lie, isnt it? She confirmed that us goverment getting facts from ukraine goverment. But everybody know how reliable these "facts" are. Like separatists were accused in the incident before investigation. Sure UA nazis will cover their ass, like they did in 2001 with another plane. Overall i think this discussion is useless unless more russians and ukrainians take part in. Since West countryes citizens dont understand russian language, they are only getting 1-side american propoganda news whilst russians getting both. Remember, Russia supports separatists while EU and US supporting nazis, Russia supports Asad while EU and US supporting terrorists

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You are wrong pal, there is no western lies in eastern truth, both sides lies for their own benefit. Even people who are posting on this forum and I'm considering them as smart ones are under pressure of media they uses and believe in lies. Look at me, I don't have political view, of course I'm interested in everything what gov doing nowadays to know what will happen to me. I know difference between good and evil, understand economic mechanism, I don't want to judge any of leaders because I'm not objective (all liars), read Orwell's 1984, it may help you a bit in perception of the world works, but there won't be any war even after Malysia Airlanes plane, US/EU are going to blame Russia and Putin even if he is guilty won't tell the truth. We have pat. Besides of that I won't be surprised if there will happen more events like this one, which definentaly are leading to war.
Edit: this is how propaganda works Rico, you are sure Russian TV is right with blaming US/EU FOR EVERYTHING, and vice wersa. Depends in what country you lives decides on which side you are and what are your believes, wild cannibals don't see anything wrong in eating humans because they grown in that community, you grown under Soviet propaganda and me as 24yo Polish spent half of my life listening older generation who grown under Soviet propaganda and live till today under Uncle Ben's propaganda, that's why I decided to don't watch news:D winners write history, US won western and their story is coded here, east is Russians influence zone. We don't know the truth, and we won't! Deal with it! Citizens of North Korea believes that their national football team won World Cup, 2014 and last one also, totalitarism this is what we have here also in just softer form.

And even I walk through the darkest valley of the shadow of death I will be not afraid because I am the worst motherfucker in this place.

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kszksz wrote:

you grown under Soviet propaganda and me as 24yo Polish spent half of my life listening older generation

Dude, on which facts yr statement based on? Iam 27. And wasnt grown under any propoganda, wasnt born in russia either. Dont do this mistake again plz. Iam reading west news and russian news dayly and can recognize truth and lie. good or bad. Just wanted to say RT channel policy was to say truth and facts, bcoz back in time there was some incident and west news used it to compromate em. They are saying truth or saying nothing if its bad for russia, got it? Talking about propoganda enviroment i born in estonia and since the beginning of ages dayly i read only bad things about russia.

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We all grown under propaganda, it works even during "peace". Cold War never ended.Did you heard anything good in Duma's TV about west? Isn't Estonia in direct vicinity of Russian Federation? Why are we all the time hearing about rising average monthly earnings and all we are getting is rising prices? Statistically me and my dog have 3 legs each. Poland isn't but still is considered as old east block country, tell me why? I grown there, I got ingrown aversion to Russians and Germans after WWII, but tell me why my mother have fluency in Russian language? Because she had no choice, now no one is forcing anyone, they have let's say "more gentle ways" to input their ideology into our minds. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's 100% you are supporting Russians, US, UE or whatever, your choice, just trying to tell you most of people around the world lives under pressure of invisible propaganda and it's not their fault, years of brain wash must return effects. We all have morals, but why are we blindly believing in that what they thought us in schools and told us in tv? Take just facts, don't listen opinions, make your own based on facts. It's hard, because their selling skills are similar to that what Apple/Google are doing nowadays. Government advertise itself, but they are hidding it, it's subliminal message smuggled in prepared books, movies etc, tell me what for we have ministry of education? If usually we complain about how useless thing they are teaching us? And most of them are useless, but still they are deciding what you are learning and what you will consider as fact, and now depends in what relations is your country with US/EU OR Russia decides who is shown as a friend.

And even I walk through the darkest valley of the shadow of death I will be not afraid because I am the worst motherfucker in this place.

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Rico [E][S][T] wrote:

kszksz wrote:
you grown under Soviet propaganda and me as 24yo Polish spent half of my life listening older generation

Dude, on which facts yr statement based on? Iam 27. And wasnt grown under any propoganda, wasnt born in russia either. Dont do this mistake again plz. Iam reading west news and russian news dayly and can recognize truth and lie. good or bad. Just wanted to say RT channel policy was to say truth and facts, bcoz back in time there was some incident and west news used it to compromate em. They are saying truth or saying nothing if its bad for russia, got it? Talking about propoganda enviroment i born in estonia and since the beginning of ages dayly i read only bad things about russia.

It is a useless topic. What to discuss here ? 2 sides that wont change their oppinion.
I agree with Rico.

I have friends who tell me the facts that are happening in Ukraine since they live there. Some of them live in these cities where is war now and others fighting in these wars. And i must say that, what my friends are saying is completly different what are the new telling in Ukraine Television. Ukranian Televisions are lying and America with EU are supporting that. So what conclusion here ? America and EU are also lying.

So please, what propoganda here? when you can actually see straight what is happening, what people are saying from there and what Televisions are saying..

And also what my friends are saying ( its not just 2 friends, its alot of friends from different cities, Lugansk and Donetsk and some of my cousins who also live there) is matching 97% of information what Russian TV is saying.