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19. July 2014 - 4:01
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Sweden So, I thought I'd make a topic so Russian apologists (and others) don't have to hit and run shoutbox to make their case. Here's a great chance to make an actual statement 
My view:
Russia managed to turn back the collective security clock 25 years in one fell swoop with their anschluss of Crimea.* Now they want us all to believe they are saving us from right wing extremists in Ukraine. After the shoot down of a civilian airliner Putin is in dire straits, after all he has positioned Russia as a staunch opponent to terrorists, now he's supplying and supporting the destabilization of the Ukraine...I'm guessing he'll have to eat crow soon and just simply back off.
End result? The midget dicator managed to make NATO members out of every country ever so slightly sympathetic to Russia, even eternally neutral states like Finland and Austria know what's up now. Even Sweden is talking about actually raising a combat force now 
Well done.
* Make no mistake, it was entirely illegal. If the citizens wanted a separate state there were legal means to make it so...instead Russia pretended and sent troops with no insignia to make a fait accompli.
19. July 2014 - 7:00
#1
Ukraine
Re: Ukraine discussion
2. March 2022 - 23:58
#2
Ukraine
Re: Ukraine discussion
Stop war
19. July 2014 - 11:01
#3
Re: Ukraine discussion
Close this idiotic thread! Normal russians and ukrainians should live in peace!
2. March 2022 - 23:59
#4
Ukraine
Re: Ukraine discussion
Stop war
2. March 2022 - 23:59
#5
Ukraine
Re: Ukraine discussion
Stop war
19. July 2014 - 13:04
#6
Poland
Re: Ukraine discussion
Now a little more of the lovely "Conspiracy Theories" 
Quote:
The Malaysian airliner Boeing 777 that missed on March of 8th this Year was never found, now it comes back after all these weeks over Ukraine to be shoot down and claim that the Russian separatists did it, the USA has all the evidences within a minutes since the crash already, satellite photos of BOK anti-aircraft launcher and of course hijacked phone records, someone on the internet taken that video from the youtube, open it up and checked that the 'creation date' of the video file was actually made day earlier within the crash, also russian seperatists claims that the bodies are deprived of blood and in a state of decay already, that it was some kind of medical transport with dead bodies.All that conflict started because Yanukovych Russian pet rejected Ukraine to join the EU and now all the EU and eastern countries are mad on Russia that it sticks its nose into Ukraine, took Crimea and started an inside civil war to destabilize whole country and show the peoples that they do not need the EU.
It was too much for Russia that the EU/USA wanted to swallow their nearest neighbor and gain most of the influence on the economy of Russia and maybe create one of the NATO/US base in that country
19. July 2014 - 13:31
#7
Re: Ukraine discussion
unfortunately ukrainian political goverment called svoboda with permission of usa government did shooted down the malaysian airplane.
19. July 2014 - 13:40
#9
Re: Ukraine discussion
svoboda is a natzi social political party. they members are natzis and now they are going to rule the ukraina. it is damned. well, history shows that ukrainian soldiers was worse than animals for example on polish civilians during war than germa natzis themselves. it is one big propaganda. malaysian airplane was shoted down just for the provocation and to start sanctions for russia.
19. July 2014 - 13:40
#10
Sweden
Re: Ukraine discussion
wrote:svoboda is a natzi social political party. they members are natzis and now they are going to rule the ukraina. it is damned. well, history shows that ukrainian soldiers was worse than animals for polish civilians during war than germa natzis themselves. it is one big propaganda. malaysian airplane was shoted down just for the provocation.
I know what they are, and it's a silly excuse for what Russia is doing. They make up a miniscule amount of the Ukraine parliament (which is a great coaliton over all the political spectra), of course you would never hear that on the propaganda channel that is RT.
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Is that so, yes? You don't feel like articulating at all, I suppose.
Anyway bottom line in my view is this: Russia and their interventionist policy has done fucked up now, the weapon and/or crew was likely supplied by Russia or supervised by handlers in Moscow (there are telephone intercepts that indicate this), it's not a manpad that you point and shoot, you need serious training and a crew of 10 people to man and use it, whoever did it ensured that for all forseeable future Russia looks like a gangster state in the eyes of the civilized world.